Posted 29 November 2006 - 10:58 AM
This is all opinion, and you both have different ones, this topic was very close to being locked by me because at one point you two was ever so near to getting into a flame war but you pulled it back. Seriously flaming each other on opinions is something I don't expect a mod or a legend to do. Thankfully you both edged back to the debate at hand but if either one of you go off track to flame someone again I will report you without a second thought... In the new HHF rules it states "An opinion cannot be wrong" later it goes on to say flaming someone due to their opinion is a warnable offence.
Devil, to a certain extent I agree with Fate L. 50 Cent has talent, it' evident on his underground work before the fame in parts, on GRoDT, and on the Re-Up in parts, my beef with 50 is his consistency, he has it good one minute and then blows it slightly the next. In your opinion you think 50 Cent is talentless, IMO who are you, Fate L or me to judge. Where are our CD's? there not even created (in L's case fully anyway) and even when/if they are they will be bootlegs anyway. 50 Cent has talent and can Rap and you are not in a position to say he cannot. IMO it's fine to say you don't like the man or his music -or a certain part of it-, but your taking it to another level by saying he has no talent. Your just kidding yourself, it's obvious he does YOU just don't want to admit...
Fate, the same can be said with what you said about Yukmouth, I don't need to repeat the entire above paragraph, in your opinion he sucks, that does not make him talentless ETC.
The IT debate could go on forever, all I know is the guy has a flow problem and that personally puts me off. I like an even blend or Lyricism, Flow and standard or beat, and IMO IT does not produce that blend to my taste. Does that mean he sucks and is talentless? NO. I just don't like him... Nor do I like Yukmouth BTW for very similar reasons, though instead or flow it's his lyricism that is not to my taste.
IMO Wu-Tang, (mainly Meth, Rae, and Ghost,) are legends to the hip-hop, they have great flow and lyricism and the beats are so different to any other style out there. They revolutionised Hip-Hop iMO and took it to a place that only they can. Only built for cuban linx is my all time favourite album, yeah technically there are better but that album gave me everything I was looking for.(I havent heard much from the others to give a detailed opinion, though from what I've heard of GZA he does impress me.)
@ Devil IMO your to indulged into the underground to truely appreciate the mainstream side of things, that actually is good. I know you have mentioned there are a few that you will listen to, but it seems your not varied enough in hip-hop on a whole. One of the most important things in hip-hop that was mentioned by Fate L along time ago "Keep an open mind", you don't seem to enough of that, neither does Fate it would seem as much as he used to anymore... but that reigns true and needs to be considered, especially as a mod of this forum. The people who come here, and I've said this before will be listening to the guys you hate like 50. These people will be talking about the guys you hate like 50 cent... what good is it if all you say is "the guys a douche", way to make them feel welcome IMO. We can't afford to turn members away from this forum just because they don't listen to the things you do. I hope that you understand that discussing these artists with others is something you will need to do properly, I know your a good member and you have good knowledge, but your opinion sometimes needs to be expressed i na better way...
I've said all I wanted to say in this thread.