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[Makaveli]

No, This is why I hate christians. If you don't believe what they do, they have to do everything in their power to make you because god forbid someone doesn't accept it, they'll just go crazy.

[PrettyBoyAJ]

Honestly it really doesn't affect me if your christian or not. It really doesn't bug me because I don't know you.

[Makaveli]

I'll just leave the topic then, because I see me sharing my opinion is a terrible thing.

[MC Coemgen]

Truth7Sly, on Jul 8 2007, 10:55 PM, said:

Honestly it really doesn't affect me if your christian or not.

Oh, really? Don't you remember this post on another site?:

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Damn islams! Christ is your only way to salvation

[PrettyBoyAJ]

Way out of context. I was joking about that. )Really bad joke and I know) Im way more sensative then that. Its good to know if someone is a born again believer. For real it makes me sad that when close friends is not a Christian but I hardly think about that. I try to do what I believe is a good thing by trying to tell people on the net about my damn believes and try to re-evaluate what they think but thats just a waste of both me and your time. I couldn't give a shit about you and If I never see you post again I won't mind. So I'm out of this thread and I'll keep my beliefs in my own damn head. Like somebody is going to change their beliefs over a kid on a forum.

[Makaveli]

Lol @ him catching feelings over it. You want to spread your beliefs but I can't share mine. God forbid anyone else has their own way of thinking, you gotta slap them with a bible...After all, its the only correct one anyway...Right?

[MC Coemgen]

Again you contradicted yourself. You said it doesn't bug you, but then said it makes you sad that your friends aren't christens.

As for the bible I believe much of it is more fiction than fact. I believe that it is basically about rights and morals and how you should act. More than a definite this is how it is, this is how you should act end of story no questions ask. I believe that every religion should do some study on the other ones, learn of there believed Messiah because weather or not if they are the Messiah they still have something to teach us.

[wwfpooh]

First, there was nothing & God. Say God created Pangea and the dinosaurs. Then, he ended the world for the first time by some manner (possibly a meteor hit the Earth, which change the climate & created the Ice Age, etc.).

Then, he decided to start over. Bringing forth some gases and matter in any form he chose, he--through his knowledge (for his knows everything, including what we would term as our "science")--created Earth-1 (the reason I refer to this as Earth-1 will be explained eventually).

He created everything as per the Bible's Creation tale...except that what would be "7 days" to him would be eons to us, hence the evolutionistic part of how we evolved from our neanderthal ancestors.

Therefore, because "days" to God would feel like eons to us, we cannot possibly begin to understand how he functions beyond that of a religous entity.

Plus, once man--and woman--was created, the stories of man & his wife and future generations are what the scripture writers focused on...

Thusly, generations later...cue the Noah's Ark tale (though the Bible--being man made--probably exaggerates the boat's size and capability to hold two of every animal) and the flood that ended the world...again.

This constant ending of the world explains why we call the Earth as several years old, because bits and peices of the previous Earth was left over for man to question and study.

Cue Earth-2...and several generations later, we have the tales of Jesus. If we follow the Bible, he was a miracle-working form of God as Man. However, the Bible contradicts its counterparts (the Koran, Torah, etc.) when it proclaims that Jesus never sinned.

Being human, he too was tempted to sin and whereas the Bible said he never did, possible "documents" & "evidence" bring into question a relationship with Mary (the female who loved him and who was first into his tomb when he "died", not his Holy Mother [who also has many questions surrounding her as well]).

Anyway, relationships and lewd documentation aside...I do feel that Jesus died for our sins (and being that frenzic studies confirmed Mary to truly be a virgin, given birth practices at the time, he could be the Son of God [but we--as humans who need "proof"--have yet to prove it]) and thusly, we--no matter our religious preference--await what could be a possible "second coming" (which--IMO--could happen at any time, but often times, happens at the end of one's life, so that it "seems" like the end of the world, for that what it is when someone dies...the end of the physical world as we know it).

Edited by wwfpooh, 06 August 2007 - 04:56 PM.

[twinkle07]

Bible = the biggest scam known to mankind.

[LettersFromWar]

twinkle07, on Aug 21 2007, 04:14 PM, said:

Bible = the biggest scam known to mankind.

I love your back up statement for that claim.

[SCHK14]

Well, Personally I believe that the Bible is true. It tells us absolute truth. I believe everything that it says because of that and Jesus did die on the cross so that the sins of the believers would be forgiven. John 3:16 basically sums that up.

Edited by SCHK14, 28 November 2007 - 07:47 PM.

[MC Coemgen]

I do not take the bible as a reclection of actual events that took place.. I do however believe that it is a book that discusses morals. I do believe that in each story there is a message that you can take out of it to live a better life. I do not hold this true with just the bible, it is equally true with the Torah and the Qur'an, although I have not read any of these books in full, or even touch the Torah or Qur'an, I know some of the teachings they hold.

[SCHK14]

Well I believe those events did take place. The stories in the Bible serve as events that did happen in the past and is didactic to the world and the reader. Any story could be didactic but I think the Bible is the ultimate source.

[~Desperado~]

Woo i can feel the tension here, let me get my words in.

I believe god, believe everything that there is to believe as a Christian. Alot of people may say "I'm going to hell so what?" Probley becasue of some personal problems like having a heart brake, or family problems. They asked god to help them and didnt happen, probley blaiming god. Which isnt the right thing to do. Feeling emotional pain isnt compared to hell, as i say. "Its better to believe in something thats gonna give you a life time full of happyness, then to not to believe and sink in the river of fire" Of course the bible is always there to help people change. I dont see how the bible is a scam. Doe's it tell us to give the church money for happyness? Nope. God gave us free will, to believe what we wanna believe. But it doesnt hurt to believe.

[O-Yama³]

Devil said:

I do not take the bible as a reclection of actual events that took place.. I do however believe that it is a book that discusses morals. I do believe that in each story there is a message that you can take out of it to live a better life.

I believe this too, having been to church/Sunday school when I was a child the stories that were said were at the time believable because of my age, but having grown up and believe them not to be true but believing that the bible actually discusses morals than actual events, although some events may have happened but most are there not to be taken literally but like Devil says 'discusses morals', also like Devil I also believe the stories hold messages and once you understand what those stories are trying to say you can live a more enriching life.

[Shyseven]

i personally dont believe in god or jesus. but if i did, i would be protestant.

[wwfpooh]

Whether we believe or not, when we die, we'll find out if we were right on the Holy Books being either tales to speak of morality in terms of what one should do or if they're done in terms of offering some sense of morality in terms of helping one live a better life.

[AvEnGeR!]

wwfpooh, on Dec 4 2007, 09:08 AM, said:

Whether we believe or not, when we die, we'll find out if we were right on the Holy Books being either tales to speak of morality in terms of what one should do or if they're done in terms of offering some sense of morality in terms of helping one live a better life.

Which is what Christians now are trying to prevent. If we just find out when we die, then what is the whole point of knowing that there is a God that exist? We minus well just go straight to hell without even discussing it with non-believers. The punishment of not being a Christian is not only Hell, but it's the fact that you will be cursed for all eternity. Most people now days think that if they are not influential of their Christian ways, then God will let things pass by. That's what confuses people the most, that God is some push-over that will let things just be forgiven.

Edited by Chaos., 24 December 2007 - 02:02 PM.

[Simon]

I have it on good authority that the bible is absolutely hilarious. Haven't read it myself, never shall either

[wwfpooh]

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That's what confuses people the most, that God is some push-over that will let things just be forgiven.

As the Bible itself contradicts, God can be BOTH merciful ruler and also the One who could condemn those who are "evil". The problem? We don't know if what the Bible IS what God truly said all those years ago, because it was made by men several years AFTER the supposed New Testament existed.

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The punishment of not being a Christian is not only Hell, but it's the fact that you will be cursed for all eternity.

Who says that? People misconstrue messages too much (i.e. when one of the Holy Books say to live a life of love, compassion, helpfulness, and whatever else, people take it to mean that one religion is better than the others, which is not true, because the overall meaning of the Holy Books is to help people figure out how to live their own lives and how to teach others how to hopefully bring about peace and stability...but because we're human, we can't--or won't--bring about peace and stability, because our different views and opinions cause us to be biased and--even sometimes--downright forceful and full of hate to the point where people physically or mentallty attack one another).

[CG54_.X]

Im a Christian. I can't believe that so many people are hating on christains. I mean, what did we ever do to you?

[wwfpooh]

CG54_.X, on Feb 29 2008, 01:24 AM, said:

Im a Christian. I can't believe that so many people are hating on christains. I mean, what did we ever do to you?

Nothing. It's just how people perceive things and sadly, people tend to blame a whole sect of persons before realizing that every person--even those within a sect--believe different things for different reasons.