Who is the most Over-rated wrestler there is. Past or present
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Posted 19 May 2008 - 06:42 PM
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Posted 20 May 2008 - 12:51 AM
phoenixsplash630, on May 19 2008, 06:15 PM, said:
Is far different than being one in this sense:
Because, the second one requires athletic ability. The first one, is just some stupid stunt, that anyone can do.
Both GIFs made by D_Money. The first is WWEFalloutboy RULE's avatar.
As for the rest of the argument, I stopped reading towards the Triple H politics bit holding RVD back - that just about killed anything you could have had in your argument when you brought HHH's politicking into an overrated wrestler topic. The debate is too tedious and repetitive for my liking, and it still just seems like you're picking at scraps, despite the fact that loads of people have given you lots of reasons to like Jeff Hardy, but you come back and say "oh it was all the other person".
And don't get me started on the "he used to be crap". Sure he wasn't as good as he is now, but back then people didn't say he had the potential to be WWE Champion, so he wasn't overrated at all. Its only since he improved his came and put on great matches consistently that people say he could be WWE Champion, funny that.
Seriously, I'm done, you seem to have an unhealthy hatred for Jeff Hardy and don't seem to listen at all to the fact that he's improving. You hate Jeff Hardy, and nothing anybody can say can change that, I get it. It just comes across as being very naive, like you don't care what anybody says, you're never going to acknowledge the good parts, and therefore I don't see the point in debating this any longer.
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Posted 20 May 2008 - 01:52 AM
He is by no means a "spot monkey" because he doesn't even do anything that's that impressive, except for take big leaps. A lot of wrestlers take big leaps, and Jeff Hardy's don't always end a match. They're his character, they're to show that he's a not-afraid-of-anything badass who will do what it takes when it's necessary. He takes the risk, even if the bad could, and often does, outweigh the good. Risk vs. reward is all it does. In another thread somebody pointed out how his last few matches weren't won by a huge spot, too.
If you ask me, a real spot monkey is the ones who do the "athletic" flips, jumps, etc. While what they're doing requires more effort... So? It's not that visually appealing, at least, if you have a brain. And what I mean by that is, it's totally and completely unrealistic, there's no reason you would ever do a 450, corkscrew, double moonsault, etc. except to get over. All Jeff does is a half-corkscrew (witw) which makes sense, because he leaps at standing opponents and kicks them with his heel, and the Swanton Bomb is a realistic high flying move in the sense that a leg drop is... It's low risk, it doesn't hurt him as much as a splash move, etc.
Jeff Hardy is not a spot monkey, the only people who hate him are the fans of real spot monkeys, who think that the indy wrestlers who do nothing but impressive flips should be where Hardy is, because Hardy got where he is with his edgy style and looks.
As for most over-rated, although I don't remember much from his early career, I would have to say that Hulk Hogan is vastly over-rated in this day and age. He doesn't do a show unless he's the main event, even though his matches are god awful (unless he has HBK carrying him). All he does is basically what John Cena did (I say did because he, too, is improving) in just hulking up then whipping ass and winning.
And as for your reasoning about Sandman and Sabu... Why is Mick Foley not there if those are your reasons? All you're doing is hating on spotters, but guess what, it's entertaining. Unless you're over analytical, which you are, and that's not a good thing by the way. Spot monkeys are entertaining because it's HOLY SHIT every time (almost, if they do the same thing it's old, but I personally never get sick of seeing people get caned to death). Really, the only person that makes sense in your list is Batista.
Edited by Purity, 20 May 2008 - 01:57 AM.
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Posted 20 May 2008 - 02:15 AM
#38
Posted 20 May 2008 - 02:24 AM
Calls him over-rated because in the PAST Hardy only got over because of his risk moves, even though that's not really over-rated, as Lust pointed out, because he wasn't a main eventer. And thinks he's over-rated now, why? There's really no reason why, Jeff Hardy is a skilled wrestler, maybe not the best, I would go so far as to say that he probably needs a little more work to be champion material (especially his mic skills. Mic skills don't make a good wrestler, but they do certainly help a good wrestler look great with the gold), but he deserves at least a little credit for how far he's come.
So, he's a hater not because there are "better" high-fliers that he likes more, but because he gives him no credit. Which is true.
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Posted 20 May 2008 - 02:32 AM
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Posted 20 May 2008 - 04:44 AM
Easy
Batista
Also, yes thats fair play, he can backflip twice onto dude, and still look very cool IMO
But, thats a 30 foot drop. Yes, he fell into basically a ball pit, but may i remind you of what can happen at scripted heights? Owen Hart?
So what, Hardy jumped half the height, its still enough to kill or at best paralyse if something goes wrong
#43
Posted 20 May 2008 - 05:24 AM
I brought up Triple H, Lust, because you brought up how RVD didn't win the title and was buried, and I brought up why.
I'd make this longer, but I have to go right now.
I didn't put Foley on my list, because of his charisma, and he had skill, other than bumps.
Edited by phoenixsplash630, 20 May 2008 - 05:26 AM.
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Posted 20 May 2008 - 06:23 AM
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Posted 20 May 2008 - 10:51 AM
Blood On The Sand, on May 20 2008, 07:23 AM, said:
That is one of the best posts I've ever seen you post, man. Ignorance is the perferct word, everyone is giving amazing reasons on why to at least like him a little, but you still stick by your word and say you will not like Jeff ever. I know your allowed to have your own opinion, but how can you say he isn't anything but a "spot monkey", for every high flying move I've seen him do he has at least just as great a match to back it up.
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Posted 20 May 2008 - 11:06 AM
Edited by Blood On The Sand, 20 May 2008 - 11:06 AM.
#47
Posted 20 May 2008 - 01:12 PM
Calling me a hater, I'm not offended, but I think it's going a bit too far.
Sure, Jeff isn't just a spot monkey, but that makes up most of his arsenal. I don't feel like repeating my self again, so read my past posts if you want my opinion.
All can still feel free to post who they think is over-rated.
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