Most Overrated Wrestler
#1
Posted 28 December 2006 - 03:30 AM
While I'll admit he is one of the hardest workers in the business, he misses a very key ingredient for a great wrestler. That ingredient is psychology, and Flair has none of it. After watching some of his matches, I've realized that Flair calls the same spots more than once in a match. For instance, he'll get thrown off the turnbuckle a few time during a decent lengthed match. From a psychology standpoint, that makes no sense. Someone who just happens to switch the channel over with no knowledge about wrestling and watches a long Flair match will see that and think " what the hell is that guy doing? Didn't he just get knocked off there a few minutes ago?"
So, onto your picks. And debate about mine is welcome too
#2
Posted 28 December 2006 - 07:49 AM
But also, Khali/Henry/that type...they both suck massive you-know-whats (lol I said you-know-whats), and neither of them have any wrestling skill at all, they're just big brutes that can lift people and crush them. However, IDK about Big Show he actually seems to have wrestling abilities (whether they get used or not), and if he wasnt a monster hed hold up his own against other wrestlers.
#3 Guest_Stu_*
Posted 28 December 2006 - 08:29 AM
phen0m, on Dec 28 2006, 01:49 PM, said:
My pick is Kane. He's just a dull wrestler. He's done the same utter crap (Sidewalk slam, Flying Clothesline, Chokeslam, maybe a Tombstone) for the past four or five years and apart from that he just punches. He is a guy with no psychology, unlike Flair who at least is a great technician to make up for it and is amazing at wearing down the legs for the Figure Four. You also have to remember that Flair is "the Dirtiest Player in the game" and this is psychology as it toys with the opponent as to when and how he's going to use that trademark. I think that's enough psychology. Kane has none, except for some crappy fire techniques which don't even do anything anymore and a very limited moveset. At least big guys like the Undertaker and Brock Lesnar are technically sound.
And people want Kane to get a title run? Please. A one day run was more than enough.
#4
Posted 28 December 2006 - 09:44 AM
Really though, yeah anything from his return to WWE forward has been lameo. Anything before that (Ecspecially NWA days) has been great.
As for my pick, I'm with Stu on this one.
#5
Posted 28 December 2006 - 11:10 AM
thats the only good match he had with his title defense. I wanna see a match which
push's him to a limit which he has to use new moves. Same moves isnt gonna keep
him the title.
#6
Posted 28 December 2006 - 01:52 PM
Even in the NWA, his matches lacked spark. I noticed hardly any highpoints in them, I never watched one and got excited or interested as to what's happening in the ring. That should be one of the goals you should have for a match. If the crowd isn't into it, what you do in the ring isn't going to matter. For someone who is regarded by many as the greatest wrestler of all time, I just don't think he delivers. Show me one match where Flair has good psychology. I can't deny how hard he works, but he is in no way to me one of the greatest wrestlers of all time.
#7
Posted 29 December 2006 - 10:42 AM
Boogeyman is lucky that WWE actually called him up. WWE shouldnt even have signed him and made up a crappy worm eating wrestler. All his matches are under 10 mins(Not saying that ALL matches below 10 mins are shite), he cant sell well and he just cant wrestle. I have never seen a decent match from him, cause all his does is job wrestlers and make them look like asses(take Booker T as an example).
#8
Posted 29 December 2006 - 12:31 PM
#9
Posted 29 December 2006 - 12:38 PM
Rey in reality no matter how fast he is, would get killed by a guy like Big Show, Batista or even to some extent a smaller guy like Booker T, just as a matter of fact. Yet Rey seems to hurt them more than they hurt him as for three quarters of a match they are putting the beat down on Rey. Then in the last 5 minutes Rey comes out with some drop kicks, which as way over sold, maybe a DDT or a hurricane and then a drop toe hold into the ropes for the 619. Finished of my dropping the dime, which truth be told is a good finisher compared to some, it's just getting to that point which stinks. Then Rey will pin a guy like Big Show for the 3 count... WTF.
Now thats nearly every Rey Mysterio heavyweight match. There is no offense because he simply can't do much to larger guys, yet he wins. There is no real phycology to his matches over the past year other than "This is for Eddie, so I have to win." and thats suposed to play on the minds of his opponents? Yeah right whatever.
Seriously Rey of two years ago was exceptional simply because he was doing what he does best, wrestling smaller guys and doing believable moves, in back and forth matches where Rey could do a West Coast Pop. I know Rey still has it in him just look at his matches against some one like Kennedy who can pull of a west coast pop and sell it, Rey was tremendous, action back and forth, some of those great hurricanes that he modifies so well getting pulled off, it just shows that giving a guy what he's good at is the best option. Rey may have one day deserved a World Title shot but his size has always meant it would be either never to happen or done badly in the WWE. IMO Rey is best served making the cruiserweight division a highlight on smackdown.
Rey has been seriously overrated this past year and honestly to me it stinks, he's good but he is not a heavyweight, nor a giant toppling genius like he is being portrayed as.
#10 Guest_Stu_*
Posted 29 December 2006 - 02:40 PM
EndZone, on Dec 29 2006, 06:31 PM, said:
Kurt Angle is in no way overrated.
As for Rey Mysterio, he's good and not overrated. If we're talking about this year, then I would call him overrated, but if you've seen anything prior to this year, and he's outstanding. I'm not usually a high-flying fan, but he has given the company his all since he came. You talk of him about this year, and I'd also like to stress how a heavyweight overselling should not be stressed against Rey, but last year he was phenomenal. His moves on heavyweights are quite realistic, in my opinion. Springboarding off the top rope with lots of momentum to kick a guy in the chest would wind them if done properly (which is what WWE want to make us believe) and therefore it could be done. That's the character of Rey - the ability to exceed other cruiserweights and defeat the heavyweights.
In my mind, Rey is in no way overrated either.
Boogeyman is overrated though, and all his matches are under ten minutes, but they're under two minutes. If you can find me a good match that was less than two minutes, I'll give you a prize.
#11
Posted 29 December 2006 - 03:00 PM
Though, Rey even as a cruiserweight is not THE best ever as many would like to think. Mascaras, Kidman real early on, James Gibson on some levels, The rock and roll express revolutionised the whole high flying deal and were dead good at it, Aj Styles of ROH (way overrated in TNA), Senshi in ROH and Daniels just about everywhere i've seen him, all these guys would give him a run for his money as best cruiserweight ever IMO. Rey just happens to be in spot light right now cos he's THE small guy of THE biggest company in wrestling. I've seen Ultimo Dragon do some amazing things i nthe ring before and after his WWE stint. Now there thinking about it he just might be the best cruiserweight of all time, and then thinking about it there is the Guerrero family to consider, Hector, Chavo Jr. & Sr. and Eddie all great cruiserweights. IMO Rey is way over rated if you compare some of his matches to some of stuff these guys put on, in past times and now. Rey is great and if I thought about it long enough maybe he would make top 5 most probably top 10, but best ever no, and in some instances he hasn't done nearly enough to credit some of the praise he gets.
#12 Guest_Stu_*
Posted 29 December 2006 - 03:42 PM
Rey is one of the best cruiserweights ever. Why? Because when he's facing other cruiserweight, he excells to new heights. Look at matches like against Chavo Guerrero at No Way Out 2003; SummerSlam 2006; No Mercy 2006; his matches against Eddie Guerrero (most notably Halloween Havoc); matches against Kidman in WCW; Chris Jericho in WCW. He's not in the cruiserweight division anymore and rarely faces people his own weight recently until the Chavo storyline so his current matches can't alter him being one of, if not the best cruiserweight ever, because cruiserweights face cruiserweights in the cruiserweight division.
The fact he gets dominated most matches recently is because he is a cruiserweight (in terms of weight). His match tactics change into something where he waits for a mistake from the opponent. In cruiserweight matches, you'll find he generally is quite dominant but always allows his opponent to shine and he sells well. In heavyweight division matches, he will make it more realistic by allowing the bigger guys to take him down as you said they would in real life, but then he exploits a kayfabe mistake and it all makes sense and he gets a burst of energy. Its sort of like fighting defensively and then countering into an offensive. Similar comparisons could be made for Cena also.
#13
Posted 29 December 2006 - 03:45 PM
Flair/Steamboat.
If you can't find psycology in those matches or get excited for them then I really have no clue what you look for in a wrestler.
#14
Posted 30 December 2006 - 06:33 AM
he's not a main eventer..he's not being pushed much...he's not praised as a good wrestler..he's not RATED at all...
boogeyman in not over-rated
I think John Cena or Bobby Lashley are over-rated as far as company support and mark fans are concerned...both are being pushed as huge faces but in all honesty neither has impressed me much(not including cena's old work)
sure they can wrestle and are pretty decent but there pushed way to much and are given way to much credit...
lashley couldn't win the sd world belt so they give him the ecw belt hence dropping and cred. that belt had and Cena just seems to have been given this run since he's a top draw on the company...his feuds this year have been pretty lackluster and the wwe title doesn't seem to have much UMPHH to it anymore as opposed to ppl like the rock, Austin, tripz, eddie, lesnar, benoit who all had pretty decent lengthy reigns but backed it up in the ring...cena is a good promo guy but his ring work doesn't cry out world champion and lashley sucks on the mic and doesn't impress me in the ring either...he's just a powerhouse who can move quick...
also CM Punk...he's over-rated by the wwe marks now-a-days...he's a great wrestler, outside of the wwe...in the wwe he's a shell of himself and does the same matches week in and week out...great character/promos lackluster unexciting matches
#15
Posted 30 December 2006 - 01:01 PM
Any way. For me it’s John Cena. He has far too much hype about him for being a Eminem wanabee and, on top of that, he has hardly any technical skill so he just randomly rams his opponents head into things. What a great Wrestler..
Edited by -Rus, 30 December 2006 - 01:15 PM.
#16
Posted 30 December 2006 - 02:22 PM
#17 Guest_Stu_*
Posted 31 December 2006 - 10:29 AM
J.O.B. (Joey), on Dec 30 2006, 08:22 PM, said:
#18
Posted 31 December 2006 - 11:02 AM
Before I get my ass chewed about the Rock, he is charismatic, he is amazing on the mic, but his in ring skills are no different to that of Cena at all...