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#1 Sergio

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Posted 04 April 2008 - 03:38 AM

The Ultimate WWE Diva Wish List! (part 1)
More Cat Fights, Puppies, & Divas!

By: Sergio Ortiz

April 4, 2008 - With WrestleMania 24 in the history books, and SmackDown vs RAW 2009 on the horizon, Code X will be sharing wish list articles from now until the release of SvR 2009 regarding the improvements and additions that we would like to see make their way into the game even if it means we wait until SmackDown vs. RAW 2010 (unofficial title). Every year we see vast improvements that seem minor only because we are so used to the series that it becomes hard to keep it fresh. Some improvements are greatly accepted, some are not, and some come with the price of downgrading other parts of the game. We hope that our articles can make some sort of impact on Yukes or THQ with the help of our readers spreading the word. Every article will feature a new topic of what we would like improved or added to the next SmackDown game. Enjoy!

Wrestling With Puppies.... err... Divas
Every SmackDown game to date has featured a handful of WWE Divas and for too long their inclusion feels very stale simply because they come with too many restrictions. As of this writing, there are 18 WWE Divas currently employed by WWE and in the past there have been more, but every SmackDown game has featured about 5 - 7 Divas. Sometimes we get Divas who don't wrestle and some that do. The more the merrier, but why not focus on delivering the one's that can wrestle first so we can actually use them to ... well wrestle. Last year's SmackDown vs RAW 2008 featured Kelly Kelly in 2 attires and yet there was no Victoria. On top of a small Diva roster, the game also featured Maria, Lilian Garcia, and Stephanie McMahon as Non Playable Characters (NPC's) which if they were made playable, the diva roster would have been a bit more satisfactory with 10 Playable Divas.

As far as NPC's go, what's the point in adding superstars, divas, or alternate attires if you can't access them other than see them in season mode? As mentioned earlier, Maria was featured in SmackDown vs RAW 2008 as a NPC that could only be seen in 24/7 Mode. Obviously Yukes went through the trouble of creating her model and assigning a move-set to her, and even though she lacked a titantron movie and entrance theme, the effort could have been made to include them and make her a playable character. The same goes for Stephanie McMahon, Lilian Garcia, and any other NPC.

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Wow! Maria made it in! ... ugh, how do we play as you?


Banned From The Ring
One of the biggest restrictions that has put off many fans is not allowing Divas to participate in every match-type available. What is the point of creating a fantasy game based on the WWE if we can't recreate that fantasy on a realistic or unrealistic level in a video game? Divas always seem to be banned from main event style matches like Table, Ladder, Hardcore, 6-Man Tag, Steel Cage, Hell In A Cell, etc. Why is it so hard to allow them into these matches? It's not like it's any more immoral or improper to use Divas in barbaric matches in a video game than to have them strip on WWE television. The Divas have already been known to not shed a single drop of blood in the SmackDown games, so why not include them in all matches? It's about time the Divas get some respect.

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Calm down Melina, it's not the ref's fault you can't play.


With Trish Stratus as a former Hardcore Champion, Chyna as a former 3 time Intercontinental Champion, and divas participating in mixed tag matches, inter gender tag matches, 6 person tag matches, and battle royals; there is no reason why we should be restricted from playing as divas in any match in SmackDown vs. RAW 2009. Heck, we've even witnessed a cage match between Trish Stratus and Lita at one point, and a street fight between Melina and Mickie James on RAW in March 2007 for the WWE Woman's Championship. There is no excuse for not allowing the Divas to play in any match-type or mode for that matter.

Divas In Season Mode... No Way!
One personal wish of mine would be to have the option of selecting Divas for Season Mode. Every year we see and play through a season mode that is catered toward the WWE or World Titles in conjunction with a very limited playable roster. The lower card superstars are no where to be seen and the Divas are barred as well. The only time we come across Divas in season mode is during a story-line that involves them as managers, eye candy, or just arm candy. The last time I checked, the WWE has various championships such as the WWE/World/ECW Title, Intercontinental Title, United States Title, WWE/World Tag Team Titles, & Woman's Title. Season Mode should revolve around all of these championships and in this case, I would love to see a season mode available for Divas. Season Mode should be a different experience every time you choose to chase for a particular championship. With Divas running the show, we should experience the life of a Diva.

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It's like a sausage fest in here.


A Diva specific season mode would add a lot of diversity to the SmackDown series as it would give players and current diva fans more of a reason to play as the divas and their favorite female created superstars. In the past, creating a female superstar simply meant that the C-A-S would be limited to a few match-types or modes, if any. Exploring the life of a diva in season mode should be full of alliances, back stabbings, diva styled matches such as bra and panties, lingerie, pillow fight, paddle on a pole, as well as the more serious matches. Throw in some cinematic bikini or lingerie contests for variety during special events or PPV's. Give us the ability to manage someone and cut them loose at any moment. Let us be able to trash talk or make friends backstage with others. Our actions should have an effect on how season mode plays out. Beating up a partner in a tag match should have a consequence. Being an unbiased special guest referee should have a consequence. These are just a few of the things that I would love to see in a Diva Season Mode.

Create-A-Move Set... If You Can.
With every passing SmackDown game, the Create-A-Move Set Mode seems to get more restricted each time. In the past, we could assign almost every available move into our move-set, and now it seems that our options are getting much more restricted with the introduction of weight classes or fighting styles. The concept of restricting certain moves from particular weight classes or fighting styles is a step in the right direction, but it is still very flawed. When I create divas with versatile move-sets such as Beth Phoenix, Victoria, Trish Stratus, Chyna, etc, I am restricted from many moves.

In SmackDown vs RAW 2007, the weight class of a superstar determined the moves available to his/her move-set. This posed a huge problem when someone like Chyna or Beth Phoenix belong to the light heavyweight class and they were restricted from having power moves, which seemed to be available to weight classes in the heavyweight to super heavyweight class. Even Victoria is a diva-weight wrestler and she has been known to rough up the other divas with some power moves.

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Look at the strength of Beth Phoenix!


In SmackDown vs RAW 2008, fighting styles were introduced and that hindered the move availability even more. A strong and powerful Diva such as Beth Phoenix is restricted from having a Power Fighting Style because her real weight would classify her as a light heavyweight. This means that while Beth possessed a Power Fighting Style, she could not select the fighting style or power moves belonging to the Power Fighter because she did not weigh enough to be a heavy or super heavyweight. How can creating Beth Phoenix be any fun if we can't give her a realistic move-set? Playing as a C-A-S that looks like Beth is one thing, but if she can't wrestle the way Beth would in real life, then where is the fun in that?

The same applies to many other fighting styles in which someone like Ashley Massaro is a Showman and Brawler at heart, but is restricted from performing a few of her high-flying moves. I should not have to change her fighting style to "high-flyer" just to access a couple of moves because doing so will hinder either her showman or brawler abilities/move options and enable her to perform other unwanted high-flyer specific moves or abilities.

That does it for part 1 of this article.

Hope you enjoyed the IGN style article. Feel free to comment with your thoughts or suggest future article topics.

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Posted 04 April 2008 - 04:11 AM

I agree with everything 2 thumbs up :yes:

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Posted 04 April 2008 - 04:33 PM

I really enjoyed reading this article because it really does make a whole lot of sense to THQ/Yukes problems. :yes: They want to know what we want, and how the wrestlers feel within the ring. Well, I can say that this article can really back up the divas part and could really follow into the same concept as the male superstars. I really liked how you talked about the differences of storylines and how you should have different opportunities and also how you talked about the move-sets. It really is a pain especially the opposite way when you plan making a superstar that has a bit of a weight problem but will do plenty of aerial moves. Say a wrestler such as Bam Bam Bigelo. :( And fighting styles can get in the way of a whole lot of things when creating Move-sets! I hate it too much! You should really send this article to THQ and se what they think. Maybe they'll take your article to acceptation because it looks so professionally done! :thumbsup:

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Posted 04 April 2008 - 04:44 PM

Maria Will Be A NPC Again ? I Didn't Understand...

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Posted 04 April 2008 - 04:56 PM

View Postॐﮢ ҜĢ¤ &, on Apr 4 2008, 04:44 PM, said:

Maria Will Be A NPC Again ? I Didn't Understand...
No. This article says that she was NPC in SvR 2008 and it was bad that we could not play as her even when she was in the game to begin with. Why make her NPC in the first place, when they can just let us play as her too.

This is wishing that in SvR 2009, we can play as NPC's without needing codes (primarily 360 and PS3).

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Posted 04 April 2008 - 05:00 PM

Oh, Ok.

Off Topic : You Have Read Your Messages ? I PMed You There Are 2 Weeks...

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Posted 04 April 2008 - 09:36 PM

All I know is that they better not neglect Victoria again. I'm getting tired of seeing all these worthless T&A characters like Kelly Kelly make it but not Victoria who I still view as the best female wrestler the WWE currently has.

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Posted 05 April 2008 - 03:27 AM

View PostTheRob, on Apr 4 2008, 10:36 PM, said:

All I know is that they better not neglect Victoria again. I'm getting tired of seeing all these worthless T&A characters like Kelly Kelly make it but not Victoria who I still view as the best female wrestler the WWE currently has.
totally agree with you man, i can't believe, how the divas get treated when it comes down to wrestling games, Kelly Kelly get the whole v.i.p treatment last year and hasn't even won the women's title or any title for that matter, victoria hasn't been in a Smackdown game since the first SVR how unfair is that, and as far as divas go they should get more freedom like back in the old Smackdown games.....

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Posted 05 April 2008 - 05:09 AM

How's about Diva legends??

Trish, Lite, Chyna... yadda yadda

ECW and WWE males legends get it so why not diva's??

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Posted 05 April 2008 - 10:03 AM

I agree with you!

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Posted 10 April 2008 - 05:40 PM

Very well stated, Sergio.

I have a feeling that we'll be seeing some adjustments to the Fighting Style mechanic this year. THQ's heart was in the right place, but the result ended up being too confining. In addition to the weight class issues you described, the Dirty style is sloppily implemented. In order to play as a heel, you pretty much have to take the Dirty fighting style, which hogs one of your two style slots. From my experience, the Dirty moves you have to work with that aren't actually "dirty" are very basic and feel like leftovers from the Technical style, which I think is very (here's that evil word again) limiting. Here's a possible solution: merge the Dirty style in with the other seven, and keep those moves hidden in Create-a-Moveset. On the profile screen, have an option to select your wrestler's alignment (Clean or Dirty). Choosing Dirty makes the eye rakes, 'nad kicks and whatnot appear in Create-a-Moveset. Just like that, your options open up a little bit. (In case you're wondering, the crowd reaction option would still be available to account for folks like Ric Flair who fight dirty but still get cheered.)

Here's another idea while I'm at it: why just use the four cardinal directions (up, down, left, right) to choose a grapple move? Let players assign a move to the four diagonal directions as well, and PRESTO: now you get eight quick grapple moves and eight moves for each fighting style grapple. Now the door gets cracked open a little wider still.

As far as Kelly Kelly getting the star treatment last year, that may have something to do with the "Featuring ECW" tag line. WWE and THQ wanted to hype ECW (or should it be WWECW?) and everyone in it. When the roster was finalized, she was the most recognized (if not the only) Diva on the ECW roster. Therefore, she got the push. (Although, with the character model looking like it did, could you even tell it was her? And while I'm ranting, did anyone else wonder who Maria's face was based on? It sure as hell wasn't Maria.)

For what it might be worth, I'll cap this off by naming which Divas I think will be playable in the game, along with my so-called reasoning:

- Beth Phoenix (She da CHAMP, baby)
- Candice (the E loves her despite seemingly getting injured every time someone coughs on her...sorry, I'm not a fan)
- Mickie (the fans love her as much as the E thinks we should love Candice)
- Kelly Squared (token ECW Diva)
- Melina (top female heel in the fed at the moment)
- Ashley (not my favorite at all, which means the E will stick her in to annoy me)
- Michelle McCool (not crazy about her, but I think she's the top female face on Smackdown)

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Posted 10 April 2008 - 05:57 PM

Great post DoubleAgent74. Great ideas and fully thought out too. :)

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Posted 10 April 2008 - 06:03 PM

View PostSergio, on Apr 10 2008, 05:57 PM, said:

Great post DoubleAgent74. Great ideas and fully thought out too. :)

Thanks. :) My only problem is that my Diva roster isn't as balanced as it is in the games. In the past, THQ seemed to like keeping the Diva ratio at 4:3 in favor of Raw (4 Raw, 3 SD). Last year, we got 3 and 3, with Kelly Squared getting the seventh slot. My list is too Raw-heavy, which means Victoria may actually get in this year in the name of balance (WE HOPE).

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Posted 10 April 2008 - 07:00 PM

View PostDoubleAgent74, on Apr 10 2008, 07:03 PM, said:

View PostSergio, on Apr 10 2008, 05:57 PM, said:

Great post DoubleAgent74. Great ideas and fully thought out too. :)

Thanks. :) My only problem is that my Diva roster isn't as balanced as it is in the games. In the past, THQ seemed to like keeping the Diva ratio at 4:3 in favor of Raw (4 Raw, 3 SD). Last year, we got 3 and 3, with Kelly Squared getting the seventh slot. My list is too Raw-heavy, which means Victoria may actually get in this year in the name of balance (WE HOPE).
I did not think of that. I think you're right! She has a better chance now unless they give us just Torrie, Michelle, & (Cherry or Maryse) :(

I don't mind them, but Victoria is a must.

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View PostSergio, on Apr 4 2008, 10:38 AM, said:

The Ultimate WWE Diva Wish List! (part 1)
More Cat Fights, Puppies, & Divas!

By: Sergio Ortiz

April 4, 2008 - With WrestleMania 24 in the history books, and SmackDown vs RAW 2009 on the horizon, Code X will be sharing wish list articles from now until the release of SvR 2009 regarding the improvements and additions that we would like to see make their way into the game even if it means we wait until SmackDown vs. RAW 2010 (unofficial title). Every year we see vast improvements that seem minor only because we are so used to the series that it becomes hard to keep it fresh. Some improvements are greatly accepted, some are not, and some come with the price of downgrading other parts of the game. We hope that our articles can make some sort of impact on Yukes or THQ with the help of our readers spreading the word. Every article will feature a new topic of what we would like improved or added to the next SmackDown game. Enjoy!

Wrestling With Puppies.... err... Divas
Every SmackDown game to date has featured a handful of WWE Divas and for too long their inclusion feels very stale simply because they come with too many restrictions. As of this writing, there are 18 WWE Divas currently employed by WWE and in the past there have been more, but every SmackDown game has featured about 5 - 7 Divas. Sometimes we get Divas who don't wrestle and some that do. The more the merrier, but why not focus on delivering the one's that can wrestle first so we can actually use them to ... well wrestle. Last year's SmackDown vs RAW 2008 featured Kelly Kelly in 2 attires and yet there was no Victoria. On top of a small Diva roster, the game also featured Maria, Lilian Garcia, and Stephanie McMahon as Non Playable Characters (NPC's) which if they were made playable, the diva roster would have been a bit more satisfactory with 10 Playable Divas.

As far as NPC's go, what's the point in adding superstars, divas, or alternate attires if you can't access them other than see them in season mode? As mentioned earlier, Maria was featured in SmackDown vs RAW 2008 as a NPC that could only be seen in 24/7 Mode. Obviously Yukes went through the trouble of creating her model and assigning a move-set to her, and even though she lacked a titantron movie and entrance theme, the effort could have been made to include them and make her a playable character. The same goes for Stephanie McMahon, Lilian Garcia, and any other NPC.

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Wow! Maria made it in! ... ugh, how do we play as you?


Banned From The Ring
One of the biggest restrictions that has put off many fans is not allowing Divas to participate in every match-type available. What is the point of creating a fantasy game based on the WWE if we can't recreate that fantasy on a realistic or unrealistic level in a video game? Divas always seem to be banned from main event style matches like Table, Ladder, Hardcore, 6-Man Tag, Steel Cage, Hell In A Cell, etc. Why is it so hard to allow them into these matches? It's not like it's any more immoral or improper to use Divas in barbaric matches in a video game than to have them strip on WWE television. The Divas have already been known to not shed a single drop of blood in the SmackDown games, so why not include them in all matches? It's about time the Divas get some respect.

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Calm down Melina, it's not the ref's fault you can't play.


With Trish Stratus as a former Hardcore Champion, Chyna as a former 3 time Intercontinental Champion, and divas participating in mixed tag matches, inter gender tag matches, 6 person tag matches, and battle royals; there is no reason why we should be restricted from playing as divas in any match in SmackDown vs. RAW 2009. Heck, we've even witnessed a cage match between Trish Stratus and Lita at one point, and a street fight between Melina and Mickie James on RAW in March 2007 for the WWE Woman's Championship. There is no excuse for not allowing the Divas to play in any match-type or mode for that matter.

Divas In Season Mode... No Way!
One personal wish of mine would be to have the option of selecting Divas for Season Mode. Every year we see and play through a season mode that is catered toward the WWE or World Titles in conjunction with a very limited playable roster. The lower card superstars are no where to be seen and the Divas are barred as well. The only time we come across Divas in season mode is during a story-line that involves them as managers, eye candy, or just arm candy. The last time I checked, the WWE has various championships such as the WWE/World/ECW Title, Intercontinental Title, United States Title, WWE/World Tag Team Titles, & Woman's Title. Season Mode should revolve around all of these championships and in this case, I would love to see a season mode available for Divas. Season Mode should be a different experience every time you choose to chase for a particular championship. With Divas running the show, we should experience the life of a Diva.

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It's like a sausage fest in here.


A Diva specific season mode would add a lot of diversity to the SmackDown series as it would give players and current diva fans more of a reason to play as the divas and their favorite female created superstars. In the past, creating a female superstar simply meant that the C-A-S would be limited to a few match-types or modes, if any. Exploring the life of a diva in season mode should be full of alliances, back stabbings, diva styled matches such as bra and panties, lingerie, pillow fight, paddle on a pole, as well as the more serious matches. Throw in some cinematic bikini or lingerie contests for variety during special events or PPV's. Give us the ability to manage someone and cut them loose at any moment. Let us be able to trash talk or make friends backstage with others. Our actions should have an effect on how season mode plays out. Beating up a partner in a tag match should have a consequence. Being an unbiased special guest referee should have a consequence. These are just a few of the things that I would love to see in a Diva Season Mode.

Create-A-Move Set... If You Can.
With every passing SmackDown game, the Create-A-Move Set Mode seems to get more restricted each time. In the past, we could assign almost every available move into our move-set, and now it seems that our options are getting much more restricted with the introduction of weight classes or fighting styles. The concept of restricting certain moves from particular weight classes or fighting styles is a step in the right direction, but it is still very flawed. When I create divas with versatile move-sets such as Beth Phoenix, Victoria, Trish Stratus, Chyna, etc, I am restricted from many moves.

In SmackDown vs RAW 2007, the weight class of a superstar determined the moves available to his/her move-set. This posed a huge problem when someone like Chyna or Beth Phoenix belong to the light heavyweight class and they were restricted from having power moves, which seemed to be available to weight classes in the heavyweight to super heavyweight class. Even Victoria is a diva-weight wrestler and she has been known to rough up the other divas with some power moves.

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Look at the strength of Beth Phoenix!


In SmackDown vs RAW 2008, fighting styles were introduced and that hindered the move availability even more. A strong and powerful Diva such as Beth Phoenix is restricted from having a Power Fighting Style because her real weight would classify her as a light heavyweight. This means that while Beth possessed a Power Fighting Style, she could not select the fighting style or power moves belonging to the Power Fighter because she did not weigh enough to be a heavy or super heavyweight. How can creating Beth Phoenix be any fun if we can't give her a realistic move-set? Playing as a C-A-S that looks like Beth is one thing, but if she can't wrestle the way Beth would in real life, then where is the fun in that?

The same applies to many other fighting styles in which someone like Ashley Massaro is a Showman and Brawler at heart, but is restricted from performing a few of her high-flying moves. I should not have to change her fighting style to "high-flyer" just to access a couple of moves because doing so will hinder either her showman or brawler abilities/move options and enable her to perform other unwanted high-flyer specific moves or abilities.

That does it for part 1 of this article.

Hope you enjoyed the IGN style article. Feel free to comment with your thoughts or suggest future article topics.

they finallly realized people wanted divas in story mode and cage matches for divas and stuff cuz ithink you can play as a diva in story mode on svr 2010 (I CAN'T WAIT TO CREATE MY OWN STORYLINE) !!!
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