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Posted 05 April 2008 - 11:24 PM

No, thats not it Phoenix, it was indy. I dunno about a move, lets say Spiral Tap.

*wipes the vomit off face* Its ok KGB, just based high flyer moves I've saw, he is the best. If you care to show me videos of Mysterio matching him, I'll change my opinion. But I agree with all the flips do take away from realness, and I don't watch a lot of flippy guys so there might be lots better guys.

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Posted 05 April 2008 - 11:24 PM

View PostTheKGBIsAfterYou, on Apr 6 2008, 01:22 AM, said:

The one he hit was more influential though, and memorable.

Very true, and like I said before, it looked much better.

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Posted 05 April 2008 - 11:25 PM

This topic lacks Mil Mascaras...

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Posted 05 April 2008 - 11:27 PM

Don't pay a lot of attention to high flyers because they don't really interest me. Doing flips isn't wrestling. It's a part of wrestling, but it doesn't make or break a wrestler.

However, I love Paul London.

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Please don't die!!! Please don't die!!! Please don't die!!!

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Posted 05 April 2008 - 11:31 PM

View PostGrizz, on Apr 6 2008, 01:24 AM, said:

No, thats not it Phoenix, it was indy. I dunno about a move, lets say Spiral Tap.

If you ever find a video of that moment, feel free to post it, because it sounds awesome. Also, the Spiral Tap is a great move.

Edited by phoenixsplash630, 05 April 2008 - 11:32 PM.


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Posted 05 April 2008 - 11:31 PM

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If you care to show me videos of Mysterio matching him, I'll change my opinion. But I agree with all the flips do take away from realness, and I don't watch a lot of flippy guys so there might be lots better guys.

Mysterio's more creative, actually implements psychology into his matches, tells a story in the ring, and is the epitome of what a true "high flier" should be. Only person who can honestly match him IMO is Shawn Michaels. Being a great High Flier has little to do with how many flips you can do. That's only a small, small part.

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Posted 05 April 2008 - 11:33 PM

To Ollie The Magic Bum, ahh, how could we forget him, a great highflyer.

To Purity, Paul London is a great highflyer, but I think that he would be better in TNA, with the X Division. Weren't the please don't die chants for Teddy Hart, when he did that 30 foot moonsault?

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Posted 05 April 2008 - 11:35 PM

London used to get those chants in ROH.

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Posted 05 April 2008 - 11:37 PM

View PostTheKGBIsAfterYou, on Apr 6 2008, 01:31 AM, said:

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If you care to show me videos of Mysterio matching him, I'll change my opinion. But I agree with all the flips do take away from realness, and I don't watch a lot of flippy guys so there might be lots better guys.

Mysterio's more creative, actually implements psychology into his matches, tells a story in the ring, and is the epitome of what a true "high flier" should be. Only person who can honestly match him IMO is Shawn Michaels. Being a great High Flier has little to do with how many flips you can do. That's only a small, small part.

I think that there are more guys than HBK who can match Mysterio in ring psychology, though.


View PostTheKGBIsAfterYou, on Apr 6 2008, 01:35 AM, said:

London used to get those chants in ROH.

Oh, it seems to make much more sense now, lol. I wonder how it feels having that chanted at you though.

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Posted 05 April 2008 - 11:38 PM

In ring psychology? Obviously. As a high flier? Not really.

Off topic: I just finished watching the Blanchard/Magnum TA I Quit Cage match, and what a damn beautiful match that was. Only exception being the two obvious blade spots.

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Posted 05 April 2008 - 11:39 PM



It wasn't his one but close to the same height, the one I'm talking about there is only the guy in the center of the ring.

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Posted 05 April 2008 - 11:43 PM

View PostTheKGBIsAfterYou, on Apr 6 2008, 01:38 AM, said:

In ring psychology? Obviously. As a high flier? Not really.

Off topic: I just finished watching the Blanchard/Magnum TA I Quit Cage match, and what a damn beautiful match that was. Only exception being the two obvious blade spots.

You could be right about the highflyer part. It is hard to hide a blading spot too.

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It wasn't his one but close to the same height, the one I'm talking about there is only the guy in the center of the ring.

WOW, that was insane! I can't imagine how you could even consider attempting smoething like that!

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Posted 06 April 2008 - 12:32 AM

that spot was just plain DUMB!!!

seems like he ended up hurting himself doing it as well...

if you're gonna do a risky move make sure you're not gonna get seriously hurt doing it otherwise you have no business doing the move IMO.

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Posted 06 April 2008 - 01:25 AM

View PostReal American ICON!, on Apr 3 2008, 07:32 PM, said:

that spot was just plain DUMB!!!

seems like he ended up hurting himself doing it as well...

if you're gonna do a risky move make sure you're not gonna get seriously hurt doing it otherwise you have no business doing the move IMO.

Wrestlers have been injured more frequently on less dangerous moves. Look at Cena's most recent injury, IIRC he was injured in a hip-toss, not what Orton did to him.

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Posted 06 April 2008 - 01:31 AM

View PostPurity, on Apr 5 2008, 07:25 PM, said:

View PostReal American ICON!, on Apr 3 2008, 07:32 PM, said:

that spot was just plain DUMB!!!

seems like he ended up hurting himself doing it as well...

if you're gonna do a risky move make sure you're not gonna get seriously hurt doing it otherwise you have no business doing the move IMO.

Wrestlers have been injured more frequently on less dangerous moves. Look at Cena's most recent injury, IIRC he was injured in a hip-toss, not what Orton did to him.


I realize that but that wasn't my point...My point was that if you're going to do a risky move(which they are...moves like a 630 splash or a running ssp to the mats) that if you plan on doing that move and haven't practiced it or just decided to do it on a whim that you are not really sure you can perform the move properly without being injured then you have no business doing the move...

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Posted 06 April 2008 - 04:17 AM

The Ultimo Dragon, Great Sasuke, El Hijo, Mistico and Jushin Liger come to mind, but so does Mysterio. If you want to be a bit different, when Benoit wrestled a high flying style, he was brilliant too. Eddie Guerrero was the same, but I suppose they're more technical than high-fliers, Benoit especially. For a favorite? Jushin Liger and Great Sasuke get my votes, as they were just perfectly timed, never miss a spot and sell like mad. Some more modern guys that come to mind are AJ Styles, but he needs to stay consistent with selling, but when he's on (see Turning Point against Samoa Joe), he can provide some of the best matches of these past few years.

But to put it simply. Liger and Sasuke.

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Posted 06 April 2008 - 04:25 AM

My god, some of you guys go into so much detail!! :P (good thing)

London or Kendrick. Unfortunatly i can never see TNA (cant be assed watching youtube :D)so i dont know shit about anyone there.

In the past (iirc) was Zach Gowen a good lil highflyer?
You know, the guy with one leg, got destroyed by Lesnar and was fired caus eof attitude problems?

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Posted 06 April 2008 - 04:50 AM

View PostTornado, on Apr 5 2008, 10:25 PM, said:

My god, some of you guys go into so much detail!! :P (good thing)

London or Kendrick. Unfortunatly i can never see TNA (cant be assed watching youtube :D)so i dont know shit about anyone there.

In the past (iirc) was Zach Gowen a good lil highflyer?
You know, the guy with one leg, got destroyed by Lesnar and was fired caus eof attitude problems?


he wasnt really a high flyer much so I wouldn't even consider him...he's an ok wrestler but ok doesnt cut it really...wanna be a star...you gotta be great not ok.

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Posted 06 April 2008 - 09:14 AM

To Real American ICON, that spot was very dangerous, but I'm sure that he practiced it.

To Tasha KO, Jushin "Thunder" Liger, is by far, one of the best in Japan, and Sasuke is a Legend.

To Tornado, London and Kendrick are pretty good, but you should really check out Japan, Mexico, the Indies, or TNA, if you can. And, Zach Gowen's moonsault, was pretty cool.

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Posted 06 April 2008 - 09:26 AM

I doubt it. I'd say he just scoped it out a bit. It's like Foley going off the cell. They didn't throw each other off until they got it down pat, lol.

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Posted 06 April 2008 - 09:33 AM

View PostTheKGBIsAfterYou, on Apr 6 2008, 10:26 AM, said:

I doubt it. I'd say he just scoped it out a bit. It's like Foley going off the cell. They didn't throw each other off until they got it down pat, lol.

You're probly right, especially since it was in the indies.

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Posted 06 April 2008 - 11:08 AM

hmmmm.. It seem all time means the last couple of years! I would say Mil Mascaras was probably the model for most modern high flyers. Jushin "Thunder" Liger never failed to blow me away I would also mention Pegasus kid(benoit) and brian pillman and maybe dynamite kid.

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Posted 06 April 2008 - 11:51 AM

View Postten, on Apr 6 2008, 12:08 PM, said:

hmmmm.. It seem all time means the last couple of years! I would say Mil Mascaras was probably the model for most modern high flyers. Jushin "Thunder" Liger never failed to blow me away I would also mention Pegasus kid(benoit) and brian pillman and maybe dynamite kid.

It may be the last couple of years, because the highflying ability has increased, from the days of Snuka, to now.
First mention of Brian Pillman here, and I do agree, that he was great what what he did. Dynamite, was amazing as well.

Also, would you like to share your favorite highflying move or moment.

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Posted 06 April 2008 - 11:54 AM

Dynamite's one of the top 5 wrestlers of all time.

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Posted 06 April 2008 - 12:03 PM

View PostTheKGBIsAfterYou, on Apr 6 2008, 12:54 PM, said:

Dynamite's one of the top 5 wrestlers of all time.

Bold statement, lol. But Dynamite is defiinitely a legend.