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[koberulz]

I am writing this letter on behalf of the members of Code X (http://z14.invisionf...dex.php?act=idx), and many other fans of the SmackDown series.

The latest edition, SmackDown vs Raw 2007, has been nothing short of a disappointment to myself and many others. We have come to expect a high quality game each year, and have been let down. It seems that every year, more is removed from the games than added in. Gone is the ability to throw chairs, to climb the SmackDown arena fist, many options in Create a Wrestler (CAW) mode, and more. We wait many years for new features (stables, create a title, create an entrance), and when we finally get them, the come at the expense of something we love.

Many improvements can be made to the SmackDown games with tweaking, rather than adding major features at the cost of things from earlier games. A handful more options in CAW mode, more customisation of rules, etc.

We at Code X are tired of this continuing year in and year out, and have finally decided to take action. This edition of SmackDown is filled with glitches, and has many things removed. There are also several things we would like added to the game.

1. In some arenas this year, Lillian Garcia speaks with Tony Chimmel's voice. This worked fine last year, there is no reason for such a bug to occur.

2. The ability for created wrestlers to carry belts to the ring is gone. The belts floating around their waists is far preferable.

3. Bam Bam Bigelow and Jim Neidhart have no entrance music. If music rights are a problem, generic remixes are far preferable than strict silence.

4. The commentary often refers to people not in the match. This should be rectified.

5. What happened to having sound effects in the elimination chamber?

6. Only the first member of a stable is announced.

7. Many hometowns are incorrect.

8. Moves are called incorrectly.

9. Far too many options in Create a Moveset have been removed. Here's the list compiled so far:

Ring-In
None removed.

Ring-Out
None removed.

Taunts
Batista 3
Charlie Haas 3
Chavo 1
Chris Jericho 4
Chris Jericho 5
Christian 2
Christian 5
Come On !
Eddie Guerrero 4
Get Up! 1
Hand Beating
Hand-Clapping
Hassan
HBK 3
Hello 1
Hold Hands in Prayer 1
Hold Hands in Prayer 2
I am A Number One 1
John Cena 1
John Cena 2
John Cena 5
Kurt Angle 2
Kurt Angle 4
Mark Jindrak
Moon Walk 1
Moon Walk 2
OJ!
Orton 2
Pointing Walk
Raise Arm 1
S2H 02
Sexual Walking
Shelton Benjamin 1
Spirited
Step
Tajiri 1
Tajiri 6
Taunt BANZAI
Taunt Beast 2
Taunt Bird
Taunt Brother 1
Taunt Brother 3
Taunt Dancing 3
Taunt Diva 1
Taunt Extreme 5
Taunt Extreme 6
Taunt Head Shake
Taunt Powerful 1
Taunt Powerful 8
Taunt Samoan 2
Taunt Samoan 4
Taunt Severity
Taunt Socks!
Taunt Table 4
Wrist Check
Total: 55

Fighting Stances (They've changed/updated a lot. Because it is listed does not mean it doesn't have a replacement.)
Booker T (Replaced)
Dancing 2
Extreme
HBK (Replaced)
Kung-Fu 3
Kurt Angle (Replaced)
Mysterious 3
Mysterious 7
Rey Mysterio (Replaced)
Ric Flair (Replaced)
Rob Van Dam (Replaced)
Undertaker 2 (Replaced)

Walking Motion
This category has been removed entirely.

Running Motion
This category has been removed entirely.

Strikes
Dropkick 3
Karate Slide
Shuffle Side Kick 2
Triple H Punches 2
Total: 4
TheProdigyReinEngel
Posted 11/12/2006 5:31:06 AM
message detail Grapple Moves:
3 Handled Credenza
39 Fire Spin
Amazing Slam & Splash
Arm Lock 1
Armbar 1
Armbar 2
Armbar 3
Arm Drag 5
Back & Neckbreaker 1
Back & Neckbreaker 2
Back Rolling 4
Back Suplex 3
Backbreaker 3
Backbreaker 8
Backbreaker 10
Backhand Blow 1
Belly to Back Slam
Bear Hug 1
Belly to Belly 2
Big Punch 1
Big Shoulder Claw 1
Black Out
Brain Damage
Bulldog 2
Chicken Wing 2
Combination 2
Combination 4
Combination 5
Cruiserweight Moves 1
Cruiserweight Moves 2
Cruiserweight Moves 5
Cruiserweight Moves 6
DDT 8
DDT 12
DDT 24
Death Valley Driver
Deep Breath 1
Double Arm Buster
Elbow To Back Of Head 1
Eugene Dig Into
Eugene Whip
Extreme Leg Drop Pin
Extreme Small Package
Eye Poke 3
Facecrusher 1
Facecrusher 2
Finishing Touch
Fireman Carry
Fisherman Suplex
Flip Suplex
Forearm Bite
Front Dropkick 4
Fury Punch 4
German Suplex 8
Gorilla Press Slam
Gory Special 1
Guillotine 1
Guillotine 4
Gutbuster 1
Half Nelson Suplex 1
Hangman Chokehold 1
Headbutt 1
Headbutt 2
Headlock 2
Hog Lock
Hopping Sunset Flip 1
Hopping Sunset Flip 2
Jawbreaker 2
Kitchen Sink 2
Knee Strike 1
Knee Strike 2
Leg Lock 1
Leg Lock 2
Leg Lock 3
Leg Trip 1
Leg Trip 2
Leg Whip
Mexican Stretch Pin
Neckbreaker 5
Neckbreaker 7
Neckbreaker 8
Neckbreaker 14
Neckbreaker 17
Northern Lights Suplex 2
Novacain
Oklahoma Slam
Oriental Toss
Orange Crush Pin
Powerbomb 2
Powerbomb 3
Powerbomb 4
Powerbomb 5
Powerbomb 6
Powerbomb 9
Powerbomb 11
Powerbomb 14
Remember That
Rolling Clutch Pin
Repeating Powerbomb 2
Reverse Full Nelson
Reverse Neck Breaker
Running Neckbreaker
Samoan Drop 3
Scoop Slam 3
School Boy Pin 3
Shoulderlock
Shuicide
Side Slam 2
Sidebuster 1
Sidewalk Slam 3
Snapmare & Neck Lock 2
Spinebuster 1
Spinebuster & Pin
Spinning Hurracanrana
STO 1
Stunt Rider Stretch
Sunset Flip Pin 2
Suplex 1
Suplex 2
Suplex 3
Suplex 7
Suplex 9
Suplex 10
Suplex 12
Suplex Pin 1
Swinging Neckbomb
Tajiri Karate Rush 2
Throwing
Tilt A Whirl Sideslam 3
Towerhacker Bomb Pin
Trailerhitch
Victory Roll Pin 3
Woman's Snapmare
Woman's Special Slap

Ground Attack:
None removed.

Ground Grapple Moves: Head
Arm Lock 2
Big Shoulder Claw 2
Black Widow
Body Kick
Bow Backbreaker
Camel Clutch 4
Chicken Wing 2
Cobra Clutch 2
Crossface Chickenwing
Cruiserweight Moves 3
Earthquake
Junkyard Headbutt
Oriental Knee Drop
Rings of Stretch 1
Rings of Stretch 2
Russian Neck Drop
RVD Leg Drop
Sleeper Hold 7
Surfboard
The Rock Wake Up
Total: 20

Ground Grapple Moves: Feet
39 Fire Spin
Cruiserweight Moves 4
Doug Leg Lock
Leg & Neck Lock
Leg Lock 7
Mexican Stretch 1
Mexican Stretch 2
Queen Angelito Stretch
RKO Appeal
Sharpshooter 1
Sharpshooter 3
Single Leg Crab 3
STF2
Total: 13

Corner: Strike Attacks
Flying Cross Chop
Flying Forearm Smash 1
Handspring FC 2
Karate Kick 1
Yakuza Kick
Total: 5

Corner: Seated: Strike Attack
None removed.

Corner: Grapple Moves
10 Punch
Chop & Punch Combo
Dudley Dog 1
Flair Walk
Hurracanrana 9
Military Drop
Mudhole Stomping 1
Mysterious Chop
Shoulder Thrust 2
Sunset Flip Pin 4
Total: 10
Cross Powerbomb
Dropkick & School Boy
Eugene Sledge Hammer
Super Ninja
Turnbuckle Smash
Total: 5

Corner: Seated: Grapple Move
None removed.

Groggy on Ropes
Backbreaker 11
Big Back Chop 2
Big Boot 3
Dropkick 8
Elbow & Irish Whip
Groin Shaker
Stomping to Knee
Total: 7

Rebound Attack
Dash Knife Edge Chop
Running Enzuigiri
Slingshot Body Splash 2
Total: 3

Diving Out Of Ring Attack
None removed.

Diving: vs. Standing Opponent
Diving Cross Body Pin 2
Total: 1

Diving: vs. Downed Opponent
Near Body Press
Near Elbow Drop
Near Knee Drop
Near Leg Drop
Total: 4

Dash: Running Strikes
See: Rebound Attack

Dash: Running Grapple
Back Rolling 3
Back Rolling 4
Hopping Sunset Flip 1
Queen Sunset Flip Pin
Reverse Mat Slam
Running Fame Asser
Sunset Flip Pin 2
Victory Roll Pin 3
Total: 8

Dash: Rear Techniques
Bulldog 2
Rolling Clutch Pin
Total: 2

Dash: Crouching Attack
None removed.

Dash: Counter Attack
Arm Drag 5
Arm Lock 1
Back Body Drop 1
Hip Toss 2
Powerslam Pin 3
Rolling Boston Crab
Samoan Drop 2
Scrapbuster
Sleeper Hold 5
Tilt a Whirl Sideslam 1
Tilt a Whirl Sideslam 3
Total: 11

Tag Team: Standing
None removed.

Tag Team: Corner
None removed.

CAW mode is, for many people, a major reason to buy the game. Many options have been removed this year.

A few improvements that the Code X community has often suggested:

1. Remove the crotch blur. While we understand the censorship reasons for this, what people do is their prerogative. There are too few people with this mindset to make it worthwhile preventing the realistic creation of wrestlers who have designs on their tights.

2. Make layer placement less prohibitive. There are large portions of the legs and neck that cannot be accessed due to these limitations, as well as the back of the head.

3. Have divas playable in all matches.

4. Remove the necessary underwear layer. If my wrestler wears tights, he doesn't need underwear. There should be the ability to choose whether this layer is underwear, tights, or pants.

Signatures of those supporting this are included below.

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Feel free to make comments and sign here, with a legit name and email address (PM me if you wish to keep it private from other members of the board, stating here that it has been PM'd).

If we can send this to the right people, we can make some noise here.

[DetectiveFork]

I have a feeling they're gonna throw this right in the circular file. It would be nice if they would listen but I'm not optimistic.

I agree with your comments, though, so for what it's worth:
Kevin Guhl
detectivefork@earthlink.net

[kingsoprano718]

I am in 100 percent total agreement with everything that is said here. I have spent the better part of 7 years waiting in anticipation for the release of the next Smackdown game and I can say each time this game becomes something different.

There is no reason why we must learn new control schemes every year. I hear in interviews with the developers how much they want to take this series to Madden heights and make it more of a simulation.

Can I say that Madden does not take out over 200 plays, leave out players that they have the rights to use, redevelop their entire control scheme yearly nor do they take out important and fan requested items like wrestlers carrying titles to the ring. So many other titles also take great use of downloadable content yet for the three years you have had online play you STILL choose to ignore this aspect, even if only to clear up these glitches.

You already have all of these moves animated, these entrances are pre made, these taunts already finished. Why remove valuable content the consumer will like. Surely you can not believe that people play season mode for 12 months. They use the CAW feature, the CAB feature. Both of which now become useless because you can not even have a great time amongst friends because your wrestler may have a title in name, he sure doesn't look like a champion.

This will be the first year I do not purchase this game. And I am confident after reading the message boards of true fan sites like this one and a few others, there are way many more like me.

I don't know if your including this too kobe, but sign me up. Maybe we should go to some other forums with this too.

Frank Cirabisi Jr
Queens, NY
hellsministryking@gmail.com

[koberulz]

sounds like an idea to me.

if we send this to the right people, we'll be noticed. thq, yuke's, ign, gamespot...

it worked for nba live. let's make this work again.

[kuswallace]

In total agreement.

Mark Wallace
Blackpool, England.
kuswallace@hotmail.com

[KarmaRocketX]

Wow.

Not only can I see them instantly throwing this away, but it would be well deserved on top of that.

I've seen some ridiculous crap in my time but that takes the cake. Not only is it ludicrous but it also comes off as self-important, arrogant, and insulting.

Not only would I applaud them for deleting this, but I wouldn't put it past them to print it out, take a piss on it, laugh about it for a good 10 minutes and then set it on fire in a dumpster outback while giving it a salute after only getting as far as the second paragraph. Sorry to say it, but this letter is not gonna do you any favors at all. And furthermore, it reeks of bullcrap. That might be brutally honest of me, and I don't really care. It's a bit elitist, and frankly, I can't imagine THQ or Yukes not cracking up with with laughter as of the result of this letter.. if they even get past the few few militant sounding paragraphs with a straight face.

Because by "We at Code X are tired of this continuing year in and year out, and have finally decided to take action." I'm sure you must have meant, "I myself am minorly upset about a few small changes, so a few disgruntled naysayers are going to band together to write a completely ineffectual letter based on an exaggeratedly negative personal opinion which I will be insulting about and offer no real incentive THQ or Yukes to read nor do anything about". I know that if I worked there, I and everyone that this letter god passed to would wonder if it was some kind of bad joke.

At least you could have been truthful instead of trying to pass off this faux "We the people think you suck" whining as a legitimate letter of concern. -_- Really. The letter is pretty much vaugly hateful, overreacting, insulting, and it's going to do about as much good as it deserves to do. If you could have possibly been any more arrogant in what is essentially, pointless magging over areas of minor interest at best, I can't really imagine it, aside from including maybe a veiled death threat and a packet of anthrax along with the letter.

The truth is, it's a damn good game as it is, and still an improved game over last year. I'm pretty sure you aren't going to change anyone's mind who thinks otherwise (least of all the producers of a game they felt confident enough to release) by basically sounding for all the world like someone of no importance with a stick up their rear end.

The fact is, you don't really speak for any majority of people. You might find a few supporters that happen to agree, but I can guarantee that you don't speak for factual evidence, let alone "everyone else". For as many people that MIGHT agree with you, you overlook the concept and the realization that thousands, probably DON'T

So. if ever a letter deserved to be thrown out, deleted, or even mocked for the sheer pretentiousness of it, it would be a letter like this. Along with probably the other letters they must have rightfully overlooked for the past few years.

Everyone is going to have their personal opinion of the game. A small number of people with an opinion challenging that of many other on simple hearsay, and getting high and mighty over it isn't going to do any good, and I rightfully don't see how anyone with common sense would think it would. They've done as good enough job as it is. The choice lies with you to buy it or not buy it. But writing insulting letters fails to make a good point. I think it makes an opposite point.

It reminds me, simply of the thousands of ineffectual online petitions, to be honest. Every day, thousands of petitions to get a tv show on or off the air, get overlooked. People that whine and complain with this level of self-importantance reflect very badly on the letter writer, as well.

Simply put: Just because you can write a letter doesn't make you right and it doesn't mean you speak for as many people as you'd like to think you do.

I disagree with you, and the tone and the goal of the letter by miles, and I think the letter is pretentious, rude, and frankly, I'm pretty humiliated by it as someone that comes to forums like these. I think this letter misses all kinds of important points and just sounds rude. It won't do any good at the end of the day, just based on how it was written.

Edited by KarmaRocketX, 13 November 2006 - 06:06 AM.

[Fuseboy]

WOW!

You actually went through all the effort of typing every move that has been removed.
Even though I dont think the game is as bad as everyone is making out it isnt as good as I was expecting. The fact you have put so much effort into this (still baffled by how long it must of took you to find out all the moves that have gone) gets my support :P

By the way, you didnt include moves that have simply had a name change have you?

Chris Gillard
fuse.boy@gmail.com

[koberulz]

self important? video gamers don't matter?

they can't expect us to spend more for less every year. the sooner we say something, the sooner something will happen.

i've seen this work before. if we can get this going enough, it will work again.

i'm in the process of doing up a website.

[KarmaRocketX]

koberulz, on Nov 13 2006, 06:54 AM, said:

self important? video gamers don't matter?

they can't expect us to spend more for less every year. the sooner we say something, the sooner something will happen.

i've seen this work before. if we can get this going enough, it will work again.

i'm in the process of doing up a website.

That's EXACTLY what i'm talking about.

You do sound overly militant, and VERY self-important just for having a personal opinion of the game and expecting the developers to drop everything and listen to you, because you can make the claim that "everyone is with you" even if that isn't neccessarily true.

I know of quite a few UK'ers with the game who have had glowing reviews. Moreso, there are more as well. The game is going to continue to get mostly great reviews, with a few complaints, I can assure you.

You would have a somewhat decent point, if this game was turning up actual reviews of 2 or 4 out of 10. Yet somehow, that's not happening, is it? Even then, decent point or not, it's just a game. How much more self-important can you BE about a game that people either have the choice to purchase or not purchase? Geez.

If people don't want it, they won't get it. If they do want it and get it, and even like it, they will. And people WILL still get this game, and there ARE people that are going to like it, regardless of whether or ot you believe that "everyone" is with you, when they won't be.

Your personal opinion isn't really going to change anything, and I think you're failing to realize that it's not the "video gamers" that don't matter. That's not the issue, here.

I think you just outright fail to realize your opinion is only a percentage of gamers. You don't speak for all of them. You'd be lucky to speak for half. The developers are only going to listen to the ENTIRE majority, and there are many people who still think they are doing great. They aren't going to listen to a percentage. They care about the ENTIRE outlook and perception. And yours, (based on the reviews this game is getting) is definatly a percentage rather than the whole picture.

Which is exactly why this letter sounds rude, and they WILL throw it out. People are going to disagree with you. I do, others will, and THQ and Yukes are going to keep doing the job they do based on the opinions of the GENERAL consensus of everyone combined. Not every hater from left-field that sends them the "OMG ANGRY LETTAR!!"

P.S: Good luck on the website. I think you'll need every bit of it, to make it look any better than this letter does.

If you really think that this website rallying others to your opinion is going to work so well, I would urge you to draw your inspiration from political based websites. Because that's basically what yours would amount to, from the sound of it. <_<

Everyone has the right to an opinion.. but too many people become way too self-important and overstep a line, to which makes you look much more bitter than completly truthful. You've overstepped that line, and your letter seems rude, hateful, too self-important, and it reminds me of the senseless political climate of one "side" trying to drown out the "other side" just becuase you can invoke some high and mighty "We the people" attitude.

Hate to break it to you, but a company isn't going to listen to that kind of nonsense. I for one, think these these so-called "dissapointmets" you've listed are a vastly conflicting opinion as to how important these things really are, from person to person.

(Not to mention that some of these points, I can say right now aren't actually vaild or correct.)

Like I've said.. the attitude you've presented to them in this letter nearly screams "please delete this, I'm just bitter". This letter and any subsequent website dedicatied to "bashing" the game, is nothing but a grandstanding effort to come across as a very bitter, small pertentage of what gamers think.

I never said that the "gamers" didn't matter. I just said that the few haters that go so far as to write angry, arrogant letters in the face of mostly positive reviews don't.

In the end, who do you think they are going to look at as far as success? How many copies they do sell and reviews which are brandished as "impressive"? ...or angry letters from a small number of disgrunteld gamers (who aren't all going to agree with you)?

It's not rocket science to figure out which is more important to them as a determining factor.

Edited by KarmaRocketX, 13 November 2006 - 06:39 AM.

[.BRAV£H£ART]

well I can honestly say when or if i can get the game 2morrow and find these glitches I will sign this petition but even if I don't find any im still signin

____________________________
Christopher Santos
dominicanb766@yahoo.com

[Joe Smith]

I agree with everything you said, this is the first SD! game i'm disaapointed with

Joe Smith: DoubleJC69@hotmail.com

[Fuseboy]

Even though I'm on this petition (if only to entertain KoberRulez) I gotta say that even though he does come across as a little flamey (intentional or not IDC) KarmaRocketX is on the money.

Everything he's said in both posts I agree with.

[extremehp4]

a small petition will do nothing on here you need to use such things such as www.petitiononline.com

if u make a more official petition than i will sign and also you need to get people to throw your link everywhere!

[DetectiveFork]

Based on feedback, it might be worthwhile to soften the tone of the petition. Be polite but serious about expressing your (our) concerns.

[koberulz]

i'm open to comments on improving the letter.

[Tigerwiccan]

I'm totally with KarmaRocketX on this. I don't know about the whole NBA Live situation, but I'm imagining that it was alot worse than just a few glitches here and some moves taken out there (which they do EVERY YEAR btw). And CAW is only important to a relatively small portion of gamers.

Most of the people that pick up this game are looking for solid gameplay in Exhibition mode and a solid season mode, and some probably don't even care much about the season mode. That's why, until the SD series started having some of the things we liked in the core gameplay, there were still people (and I'm sure there still ARE people) that said that No Mercy was the best WWF/WWE game ever made. That's also why the RAW series died a deservedly early death after just two games.

I know I would rather have an improved grapple system, better table (and other) matches, and a longer season mode over the same old CAW moves. And every game is going to have glitches. If they don't affect the core gamplay, all but the pickiest gamers will forgive them.

[DRAVEN]

If you want to say something about this game just say they screwed up the sound files

I will be emailing THQ to complain about that the games a good game but it could off been better....

[Kruser]

KarmaRocketX, on Nov 13 2006, 05:40 AM, said:

Wow.

Not only can I see them instantly throwing this away, but it would be well deserved on top of that.

I've seen some ridiculous crap in my time but that takes the cake. Not only is it ludicrous but it also comes off as self-important, arrogant, and insulting.

Not only would I applaud them for deleting this, but I wouldn't put it past them to print it out, take a piss on it, laugh about it for a good 10 minutes and then set it on fire in a dumpster outback while giving it a salute after only getting as far as the second paragraph. Sorry to say it, but this letter is not gonna do you any favors at all. And furthermore, it reeks of bullcrap. That might be brutally honest of me, and I don't really care. It's a bit elitist, and frankly, I can't imagine THQ or Yukes not cracking up with with laughter as of the result of this letter.. if they even get past the few few militant sounding paragraphs with a straight face.

Because by "We at Code X are tired of this continuing year in and year out, and have finally decided to take action." I'm sure you must have meant, "I myself am minorly upset about a few small changes, so a few disgruntled naysayers are going to band together to write a completely ineffectual letter based on an exaggeratedly negative personal opinion which I will be insulting about and offer no real incentive THQ or Yukes to read nor do anything about". I know that if I worked there, I and everyone that this letter god passed to would wonder if it was some kind of bad joke.

At least you could have been truthful instead of trying to pass off this faux "We the people think you suck" whining as a legitimate letter of concern. -_- Really. The letter is pretty much vaugly hateful, overreacting, insulting, and it's going to do about as much good as it deserves to do. If you could have possibly been any more arrogant in what is essentially, pointless magging over areas of minor interest at best, I can't really imagine it, aside from including maybe a veiled death threat and a packet of anthrax along with the letter.

The truth is, it's a damn good game as it is, and still an improved game over last year. I'm pretty sure you aren't going to change anyone's mind who thinks otherwise (least of all the producers of a game they felt confident enough to release) by basically sounding for all the world like someone of no importance with a stick up their rear end.

The fact is, you don't really speak for any majority of people. You might find a few supporters that happen to agree, but I can guarantee that you don't speak for factual evidence, let alone "everyone else". For as many people that MIGHT agree with you, you overlook the concept and the realization that thousands, probably DON'T

So. if ever a letter deserved to be thrown out, deleted, or even mocked for the sheer pretentiousness of it, it would be a letter like this. Along with probably the other letters they must have rightfully overlooked for the past few years.

Everyone is going to have their personal opinion of the game. A small number of people with an opinion challenging that of many other on simple hearsay, and getting high and mighty over it isn't going to do any good, and I rightfully don't see how anyone with common sense would think it would. They've done as good enough job as it is. The choice lies with you to buy it or not buy it. But writing insulting letters fails to make a good point. I think it makes an opposite point.

It reminds me, simply of the thousands of ineffectual online petitions, to be honest. Every day, thousands of petitions to get a tv show on or off the air, get overlooked. People that whine and complain with this level of self-importantance reflect very badly on the letter writer, as well.

Simply put: Just because you can write a letter doesn't make you right and it doesn't mean you speak for as many people as you'd like to think you do.

I disagree with you, and the tone and the goal of the letter by miles, and I think the letter is pretentious, rude, and frankly, I'm pretty humiliated by it as someone that comes to forums like these. I think this letter misses all kinds of important points and just sounds rude. It won't do any good at the end of the day, just based on how it was written.

And I'm in total agreement with you..

this game is not unplayable, there just are things that people don't like. They removed those movesets to make the game more realistic, and to make room for UCM' (Ultimate Control Moves)

Why you guys want to complain so much, when THQ/Yukes will just throw this petition away? Every Year is the same thing.. you crying, whining babies don't like a few things in this game, so you just throw it out.. what about what it does right? Name them.. im sure i could outdo your list of bad things with my list of good things..

Just don't buy the game then.. weigh the good and the bad.. rent the game first!
Don't complain to the people who think the game is great (easliy over 50% of the people on IGN, CBX, GR, GF...)

Just leave it. let us enjoy the game, and don't ruin the fun

[.sXe]

People that ***** about the little things - Just don't buy the game. Many many many many of other people don't care or don't even notice these little glitches. It is a game, it is meant for fun, if you do not like the game don't play it make your own. And I totally agree with you Karma

[teh pwn3r3r]

Singed

Tyler Zunti
Email: Mr.Zunti-GFX@hotmail.com

[DetectiveFork]

.sXe, on Nov 13 2006, 12:27 PM, said:

People that ***** about the little things - Just don't buy the game. Many many many many of other people don't care or don't even notice these little glitches. It is a game, it is meant for fun, if you do not like the game don't play it make your own. And I totally agree with you Karma

That's an ignorant point of view, to tell people to shut up and be happy with what they're given or don't buy it.

It's not unreasonable for consumers to let a company know what they would like improved in a product they are paying money for. It's doesn't mean that Yukes/THQ will listen but there's always the possibility that they will if enough people complain and then maybe these problems will be fixed. We are giving them our dollars, they're not doing us a favor by making the game, so we have a right to complain.

[J.O.B. (Joey)]

Karma instead of bashing the letter why not tell him how to improve it!!

I suggest also pointing out some of the things that is right with the game to them!!! Things u like as well as the negative!!

Edit: Also out of curiousity, U mentioned the move removed! Are there any new moves in their place??

Edited by J.O.B., 13 November 2006 - 01:32 PM.

[Tigerwiccan]

DetectiveFork, on Nov 13 2006, 02:09 PM, said:

.sXe, on Nov 13 2006, 12:27 PM, said:

People that ***** about the little things - Just don't buy the game. Many many many many of other people don't care or don't even notice these little glitches. It is a game, it is meant for fun, if you do not like the game don't play it make your own. And I totally agree with you Karma

That's an ignorant point of view, to tell people to shut up and be happy with what they're given or don't buy it.

It's not unreasonable for consumers to let a company know what they would like improved in a product they are paying money for. It's doesn't mean that Yukes/THQ will listen but there's always the possibility that they will if enough people complain and then maybe these problems will be fixed. We are giving them our dollars, they're not doing us a favor by making the game, so we have a right to complain.

But the BEST way to show whether you are happy or not with a product that a given company produces is to buy it or not buy it. That's basic economics. If nobody bought this game, then THQ would be out like rabid monkeys taking surveys to see what people would actually want in a game and be willing to pay for. But they really have us over a barrel, because they know that if it has the name WWE on it, then 90% of us will but it no matter what.

So unless you are going to start a grass roots boycott of this game by all WWE fans, then we are going to see these little dissapointments year after year. And they really are LITTLE on the grand scheme of things.

Edited by Tigerwiccan, 13 November 2006 - 01:35 PM.

[DRAVEN]

J.O.B., on Nov 13 2006, 02:31 PM, said:

Karma instead of bashing the letter why not tell him how to improve it!!

I suggest also pointing out some of the things that is right with the game to them!!! Things u like as well as the negative!!

Edit: Also out of curiousity, U mentioned the move removed! Are there any new moves in their place??

The only problem I have with the game is the sound files...

The moves r still in the game just renamed or reanimated...

I still give it 8-10... :D

[DetectiveFork]

While you're right about people sending a message by not buying the game, I doubt this is a realistic solution. First of all, a lot people won't realize they are disappointed with the game until they've played it. And if people didn't buy the game, THQ/Yukes would be left wondering why.

I think the petition is a good idea because it points out specific problems with the game. While THQ and Yukes might ignore it, they could likewise consider this feedback while making future games. It's all we can really do to get through to them about what niggling problems are in the game. Of course, it is possible that THQ/Yukes are well aware of them and chooses to let them fly because they have little time to cmplete the game and have to prioritize.

I think the idea of mentioning what we like about this year's game in the petition letter is a needed addition.