phoenixsplash630, on May 19 2008, 05:09 PM, said:
I didn't say that mic skills make a superstar. Hardy's are bigger now, because they are still around.
As for reactions, a lot of fans like flippy moves and big falls. I'm not saying that everyone is like this, but it is a large part of wrestling fans. Especially in the younger population. Jeff is probably a better seller, but RVD wasn't like a Khali per say. I think it was you who said Khali's no selling is a good thing, due to his size. RVD's no selling was because part of his gimmick, was that he was like Gumby, and could absorb and bounce back from blows.
Jeff works better matches lately, because he has faced the likes of Jericho, HBK, Orton, Triple H, and so on. He has been given opponents who pretty much always have good matches. They also do most of the work, all Jeff has to do is sell, and then hit a Twist of Fate and a Swanton, that's usually it.
Well, why would you mention mic skills in an overrated wrestler topic if it wasn't relevant? You lost me there. And RVD was around before Jeff, so they've been evened out. Jeff Hardy right now is probably more over than RVD has ever been, bar a period in late 2002 when everyone wanted RVD to be World Champion, but then got buried down the card.
RVD's gimmick? No, RVD's selling was the whole "you do your thing, and I'll just do mine regardless". There is no excuse, ever, for no-selling. I don't think I said Khali's no selling is a good thing, I probably said I don't mind it since he actually can't sell for shit, and it makes him a bad wrestler - but he's a fine gimmick. If you're going to hit moves anyway, sell while doing them. Nothing aggrivates me more than Benoit working over the legs of RVD, only for him to hit kicks, rolling thunders, and then leap onto the top rope
for the five star. RVD was a crap seller, because of his inconsistencies. Jeff Hardy is an amazing seller of moves, and has been throughout his entire career.
If it was that easy to have a great match with Jericho, HBK, Orton, HHH, everyone would do it. The fact is, Jericho's best match since coming back (other than Michaels this Sunday) was Jeff Hardy. HHH's best match since No Mercy was Jeff Hardy (and HHH doesn't always have good matches, no). For HBK, he does always have great matches. Jeff Hardy did more to put over Orton as a badass heel champion than anybody else had up until Wrestlemania, and Orton helped Hardy. And to say that all he did was two moves is ridiculous, I seriously consider you rewatch those matches. The Orton match was almost entirely Hardy, the HHH match was practically 50-50, the HBK match was very even, as was the Jericho matches. I have no idea where you get these theories from, because you're just saying stuff that's just not true. Hardy's done loads
to add to his moveset, and has utilized it perfectly the past four months. Seriously, rewatch them, because you weren't paying much attention. To have great
matches like Hardy's been having, it takes two people. Nobody is carried to a great match, people are carried to good matches.