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#1 wolfgangjt

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Posted 08 August 2007 - 07:22 AM

Brock Lesnar (updated version with WWE, NJPW/IWGP, and MMA attires) - SvR07
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Start with face model 12 (default model)

Head: -22, 22, 0
Forehead: -54, -100, -100, -100

Eyebrows: -26, 5, -100, -35
Eyes: 16, -47, -23, 15, 8, -63, 13
Nose: -1, -65, 64, -40, 26, -79, -57, -14
Cheek: -64, 62, 10, 19
Mouth: 30, 2, -98, -13, 96, 57, -72
Jaw: -100, 0, 14, -16, 100, 24
Ears: -10, 0, -51, -19
Age: 20

Body Type: -46
Neck: -100, 26, 59
Chest: 22, -45, 71
Shoulder: -100, 76, -53
Abdomen: -100, 37, 42
Waist: 38, 47
Arms: -85, -15, 0
Hands: 6, 14, 4
Legs: 2, -28, -12
Feet: 0, 24, 14

Height: 6'3" (bios list him as 6'2", 6'3" and 6'4", so picked the middle road)
Weight: put at the furthest point of Heavyweight
(allows for a more correct moveset)...technical wieghts are 270 currently, 295 back in WWE.


1. Body Skin 5 (88, 0, 1, 12)
2. Face Skin 5
3. Eyes 1: 100, 0, -6
4. Eyebrows 1: 80, -27, 63
5. Eyelashes 21
6. Lips 42: 95, -10, -5
7. Teeth: default
8. Hair 15: 78, -9, 1
9. Body Hair: None
10. Underwear: 1 (WWE), Underwear 5: -100, 7, 0 (IWGP), Underwear 23: -26, -100, -66 (K-1 Heroes/MMA)

H=Horizontal, V=Vertical:


11. Makeup 22 (stylize to largest cheek one, 1 left of default): 89, -16, 39, 34
12. Makeup 19 (stylize to cheek and neck combo makeup): 94, -17, 100, 40
13. Makeup 14 (don't stylize): 87, 51, -25, 44
14. Makeup 65: 89, -8, -3, 36
15. Facial Hair Others 1: 90, -20, 64, 0
16. Clothing >Headwear >Logos>Flag 7, largest H and V, place on the back of his head to lighten the bottom part of the hair as seen in help pics: 88, -56, -17, 32
17. Clothing >Headwear >Logos>Design 103, rotate once, largest H and V, place on the side of the head to lighten the hair as seen in help pics: 88, -56, 30, 48
18-20. Repeat previous layer 3 more times and move them to fully cover the upper shaved section of the hair as seen in help pics: 88, -56, 30, 48
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WWE attire: credit to Destruktor for the rear trunks bull logo idea
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Help pics:
http://www.yourfilel....php?fid=368612
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=8XMLWVBD
http://www.mediafire.com/?e5oykmjiidz

21. Clothing >Headwear >Logos>Design 99, rotate once, largest H, 2nd smallest V, place
just over eyebrow area to create a light shading on the eyebrow crown area: 88, -56, 51, 37
22. Knee Pads 5: -13, -78, -74, 100
23. Bottoms>Left Leg>Logos>Design Simple 103: largest H, 2nd smallest V: Place on back of Kneepads to cover the hole. (-18, -70, - 30, 100)
24. Repeat previous design for other leg.
25. Wristbands 1: -13, -82, -66, 100, 16
26. Shoes 1
27. Arms>Right Arm>Logos>WWE 46: Rotate twice, Smallest H, 2nd largest V, place on upper arm so that everything of the snout section is on his deltoid/shoulder muscle (the horns will become the fork out teeth outside the "fangs" of the skull tat): 94, 4, -58, 31
28. Arms>Right Arm>Logos>Design 113: 2nd Smallest H and V, place on upper arm above the previous design to where the fangs land centered between the bull horns and level with them): 94, -4, -16, 46
29. Arms>Left Arm>Logos>Design 134: Rotate 3 times, 2nd Smallest H, smallest V, place on upper arm to create his left arm tat: 100, -59, -62, 34
30. Torso>Back>Logos>WWE 10: Largest H, 2nd Smallest V, see help pics for placement. 100, -100, -76, 71
31. Torso>Back>Logos>Design 99: 2nd Largest H, Smallest V, see help pics for placement. 88, -54, 39, 100
32. Torso>Back>Logos>Design 19: Rotate 3 times, Smallest H, 2nd Smallest V, see help pics for placement. -18, 0, -100, 74
33. Torso>Back>Logos>WWE 10: Largest H, 2nd Smallest V, see help pics for placement. 100, -100, -76, 71
34. Torso>Back>Logos>Design 99: Rotate once, Smallest H, 2nd Smallest V, see help pics for placement. 88, -53, 37, 100
35. Torso>Back>Logos>Design 19: Rotate 3 times, Smallest H, 2nd Smallest V, see help pics for placement. -18, 0, -100, 74
36. Torso>Back>Logos>WWE 23: 2nd Largest H, Largest V, see help pics for placement. 99, -100, -100, 56
37. Torso>Back>Logos>WWE 33: 2nd Smallest H, Largest V, see help pics for placement. 85, -62, -76, 35
38. Torso>Back>Logos>Design 43: Rotate twice, 2nd Largest H, Smallest V, see help pics for placement. -18, -100, -100, 44
39. Torso>Back>Logos>Design 43: Rotate twice, 2nd Largest H, Smallest V, see help pics for placement. -18, -100, -100, 44
40. Torso>Back>Logos>Design 97: Rotate once, 2nd Smallest H, 2nd Largest V, see help pics for placement. 88, -55, 40, 100
41. Torso>Back>Logos>Design 17: Rotate once, Largest H, Smallest V, see help pics for placement. -18, -100, -100, 45
42. Copy previous pattern, rotate two more times so it points the opposite direction, see help pics for placement. -18, -100, -100, 45
43. Torso>Back>Logos>Design 28: Rotate once, 2nd Largest H, Smallest V, see help pics for placement. -18, -100, -100, 17
44. Copy previous pattern, make one less horizontally, place above previous pattern as shown in help pics: -18, -100, -100, 17
45. Torso>Back>Logos>Design 97: Rotate once, 2nd Smallest H, Smallest V, see help pics for placement. 88, -54, 42, 100
46. Torso>Back>Logos>Design 55: Largest H, 2nd Smallest V, see help pics for placement. -18,-100, -100, 37
47. Torso>Back>Logos>Design 97: Rotate once, Largest H, 2nd Largest V, see help pics for placement. 88, -57, 42, 100
48. Torso>Back>Logos>WWE 23: 2nd Largest H, 2nd Largest V, see help pics for placement. 99, -100, -100, 44
49. Torso>Back>Logos>Design 98: 2nd Smallest H, Smallest V, see help pics for placement. 88, -55, 49, 100
50. Copy previous pattern, rotate once, see help pics for placement: 88, -54, 41, 100
51. Torso>Back>Logos>Design 55: Largest H, Smallest V, see help pics for placement: -18,-100, -100, 51
52. Torso>Back>Logos>Design 99: rotate once, 2nd Smallest H, Smallest V, see help pics for placement. 88, -56, 42, 100
53. Torso>Back>Logos>Letters>Japanese Page 1, 4th column, 3rd row: 2nd Smallest H and V, see help pics for placement. -25, -100, -100, 32
54. Torso>Back>Logos>Letters>Japanese Page 1, 5th column, 2nd row, rotate 3 times, 2nd Smallest H and V, see help pics for placement. -25, -100, -100, 32
55. Torso>Back>Logos>Letters>Sign Page 1, 7th column, 3rd row: rotate 3 times, Largest H, 2nd Largest V, see help pics for placement. -25, -100, -100, 33
56. Torso>Back>Logos>Design 99: Smallest H, 2nd Smallest V, see help pics for placement. 89, -52, 39, 87
57. Torso>Back>Logos>Letters>Japanese Page 1, 1st column, 2nd row: rotate three times, 2nd Smallest H and V, see help pics for placement. -25, -100, -100, 40
58. Torso>Back>Logos>Letters>Alphabet Page 1>the comma, rotate twice, 2nd Largest H and V, see help pics for placement. -25, -100, -100, 40
59. Torso>Back>Logos>Letters>Sign Page 1, 1st column, 1st row: 2nd Smallest H, 2nd Largest V, see help pics for placement. -18, -100, -100, 40
60. Torso>Back>Logos>WWE 46: rotate twice, 2nd Smallest H & V, see help pics for placement. -100, 7, -50, 6
61. Torso>Back>Logos>Design 18: rotate 3 times, 2nd Smallest H, Smallest V, see help pics for placement. -100, 10, -25, 5
62. Torso>Back>Logos>WWE 46: Largest H, Smallest V, Place on back of trunks as seen in help pics. -10, -86, 0, 100
63. Torso>Back>Logos>WWE 46: 2nd Largest H, Smallest V, Place on back of trunks as seen in help pics. -10, -86, 0, 100
64. Torso>Back>Logos>WWE 46: 2nd Smallest H, Smallest V, Place on back of trunks as seen in help pics. -10, -86, 0, 100

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NJPW/IWGP (Japan) Attire
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Help pics:
http://www.yourfilel....php?fid=368614
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=VAN81XEI
http://www.mediafire.com/?90excdz1xz3

21. Knee Pads 14: -100, 2, 18, 100
22. Wristbands 1: -25, -100, 0, 100, 11
23. Socks 4, Pattern 42: -100, -6, 19, 26
24. Shoes 14: -100, 3, 15
25. Arms>Right Arm>Logos>Design 113: 2nd Smallest H and V, place on upper arm as seen in help pics: 94, -4, -16, 46
26. Arms>Left Arm>Logos>Design 134: Rotate 3 times, 2nd Smallest H, smallest V, place on upper arm to create his left arm tat: 100, -59, -62, 34
27. Torso>Back>Logos>WWE 10: Largest H, 2nd Smallest V, see help pics for placement. 100, -100, -76, 71
28. Torso>Back>Logos>Design 99: 2nd Largest H, Smallest V, see help pics for placement. 88, -54, 39, 100
29. Torso>Back>Logos>WWE 10: Largest H, 2nd Smallest V, see help pics for placement. 100, -100, -76, 71
30. Torso>Back>Logos>Design 99: Rotate once, Smallest H, 2nd Smallest V, see help pics for placement. 88, -53, 37, 100
31. Torso>Back>Logos>WWE 23: 2nd Largest H, Largest V, see help pics for placement. 99, -100, -100, 56
32. Torso>Back>Logos>WWE 33: 2nd Smallest H, Largest V, see help pics for placement. 85, -62, -76, 35
33. Torso>Back>Logos>Design 43: Rotate twice, 2nd Largest H, Smallest V, see help pics for placement. -18, -100, -100, 44
34. Torso>Back>Logos>Design 43: Rotate twice, 2nd Largest H, Smallest V, see help pics for placement. -18, -100, -100, 44
35. Torso>Back>Logos>Design 97: Rotate once, 2nd Smallest H, 2nd Largest V, see help pics for placement. 88, -55, 40, 100
36. Torso>Back>Logos>Design 17: Rotate once, Largest H, Smallest V, see help pics for placement. -18, -100, -100, 45
37. Copy previous pattern, rotate two more times so it points the opposite direction, see help pics for placement. -18, -100, -100, 45
38. Torso>Back>Logos>Design 28: Rotate once, 2nd Largest H, Smallest V, see help pics for placement. -18, -100, -100, 17
39. Copy previous pattern, make one less horizontally, place above previous pattern as shown in help pics: -18, -100, -100, 17
40. Torso>Back>Logos>Design 97: Rotate once, 2nd Smallest H, Smallest V, see help pics for placement. 88, -54, 42, 100
41. Torso>Back>Logos>Design 55: Largest H, 2nd Smallest V, see help pics for placement. -18,-100, -100, 37
42. Torso>Back>Logos>Design 97: Rotate once, Largest H, 2nd Largest V, see help pics for placement. 88, -57, 42, 100
43. Torso>Back>Logos>WWE 23: 2nd Largest H, 2nd Largest V, see help pics for placement. 99, -100, -100, 44
44. Torso>Back>Logos>Design 98: 2nd Smallest H, Smallest V, see help pics for placement. 88, -55, 49, 100
45. Copy previous pattern, rotate once, see help pics for placement: 88, -54, 41, 100
46. Torso>Back>Logos>Design 55: Largest H, Smallest V, see help pics for placement: -18,-100, -100, 51
47. Torso>Back>Logos>Design 99: rotate once, 2nd Smallest H, Smallest V, see help pics for placement. 88, -56, 42, 100
48. Torso>Back>Logos>Letters>Japanese Page 1, 4th column, 3rd row: 2nd Smallest H and V, see help pics for placement. -25, -100, -100, 32
49. Torso>Back>Logos>Letters>Japanese Page 1, 5th column, 2nd row, rotate 3 times, 2nd Smallest H and V, see help pics for placement. -25, -100, -100, 32
50. Torso>Back>Logos>Design 99: Smallest H, 2nd Smallest V, see help pics for placement. 89, -52, 39, 87
51. Torso>Back>Logos>Letters>Alphabet Page 1>the comma, rotate twice, 2nd Largest H and V, see help pics for placement. -25, -100, -100, 40
52. Torso>Back>Logos>Design 133: rotate twice, 2nd Smallest H, Smallest V, Place on shoulder blade as seen in help pic: -23, -100, -47, 19
53. Torso>Back>Logos>Design 133: rotate once, 2nd Smallest H, Smallest V, Place on shoulder blade as seen in help pic: -23, -100, -47, 19
54. Torso>Front>Logos>Design 97: rotate once, 2nd Smallest H and V, Place on abdomen area right below the chest as seen in help pic: 88, -59, 10, 100
55. Copy previous pattern, move downward and place as shown in help pic: 88, -56, 41, 100
56. Copy previous pattern, rotate once (put back to default rotation), 2nd smallest H, Smallest V, place on abdomen area as shown in help pic: 88, -56, 41, 100
57. Torso>Front>Logos>WWE 18: rotate once, Smallest H, 2nd Largest V, Place on the center of the chest as seen in help pic: 100, -95, -100, 25
58. Torso>Front>Logos>Design 97: rotate once, Smallest H, 2nd Smallest V, Place on abdomen area as seen in help pic: 88, -64, 6, 72
59. Torso>Front>Logos>Sign Page 1 (1st column, 5th row), the [( : rotate once, 2nd Smallest H and V, Place on abdomen area right below the chest as seen in help pic: 88, -57, -26, 100
60. Torso>Front>Logos>Sign Page 1 (6th column, 1st row), the 3 dots: rotate once, 2nd Largest H, 2nd Smallest V, Place on abdomen area as seen in help pic: 88, -59, 0, 100
61. Torso>Front>Logos>Design 103: rotate once, 2nd Smallest H, 2nd Largest V, Place on his right hip area of trunks as seen in help pic: -18, -84, 63, 100
62. Repeat previous design for other side's hip area of trunks. -18, -84, 63, 100
63. Bottoms>Left Leg>Logos>Flag 10: rotate once, Largest H, 2nd Smallest V, Place on front of shin area where the top and bottom evenly go above and below the sock as seen in help pic: 100, -100, 0, 100
64. Repeat previous design for other leg. 100, -100, 0, 100

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K-1 Heroes/MMA Attire
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Help pics:
http://www.yourfilel....php?fid=368615
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=8M22GGQ1
http://www.mediafire.com/?8j3b9dvmodd

*Note, to do the Gloves trick which will have the wristbands over the gloves (not allowed normally), you have to do the steps of a glitch in the system:
a) Put on the gloves and wristbands...they will initially be out of order.
B) Put on a Torso> Body Accessories 11. Continue.
c) Go to the layer list; make sure the wristbands and gloves are next to each other in the list.
d) Use the Move selection and move the Body Accessory above the wristband in the layer list, except, instead of continuing after it's in the correct spot, click on B (Back) instead. The glitch will then happen in which the wristbands will move over the gloves making the list show Gloves first, then Wristbands, then the body Accessory.
e) Delete the Body Accessory, then save/finalize the caw to lock it in.

21. Gloves 7: -100, 2, 18, 100
22. Wristbands 1: -25, -100, 0, 100, 11
23. Arms>Right Arm>Logos>Design 97: rotate once, Smallest H, 2nd Smallest V, place on inside palm of glove as seen in help pics: 94, -4, -16, 46
24. Arms>Left Arm> Logos> Design 97: rotate once, Smallest H, 2nd Smallest V, place on inside palm of glove as seen in help pics: 94, -4, -16, 46
25. Arms>Right Arm>Logos>WWE 46: Rotate twice, Smallest H, 2nd largest V, place on upper arm so that everything of the snout section is on his deltoid/shoulder muscle (the horns will become the fork out teeth outside the "fangs" of the skull tat): 94, 4, -58, 31
26. Arms>Right Arm>Logos>Design 113: 2nd Smallest H and V, place on upper arm above the previous design to where the fangs land centered between the bull horns and level with them): 94, -4, -16, 46
27. Arms>Left Arm>Logos>Design 134: Rotate 3 times, 2nd Smallest H, smallest V, place on upper arm to create his left arm tat: 100, -59, -62, 34
28. Torso>Back>Logos>WWE 10: Largest H, 2nd Smallest V, see help pics for placement. 100, -100, -76, 71
29. Torso>Back>Logos>Design 99: 2nd Largest H, Smallest V, see help pics for placement. 88, -54, 39, 100
30. Torso>Back>Logos>Design 19: Rotate 3 times, Smallest H, 2nd Smallest V, see help pics for placement. -18, 0, -100, 74
31. Torso>Back>Logos>WWE 10: Largest H, 2nd Smallest V, see help pics for placement. 100, -100, -76, 71
32. Torso>Back>Logos>Design 99: Rotate once, Smallest H, 2nd Smallest V, see help pics for placement. 88, -53, 37, 100
33. Torso>Back>Logos>Design 19: Rotate 3 times, Smallest H, 2nd Smallest V, see help pics for placement. -18, 0, -100, 74
34. Torso>Back>Logos>WWE 23: 2nd Largest H, Largest V, see help pics for placement. 99, -100, -100, 56
35. Torso>Back>Logos>WWE 33: 2nd Smallest H, Largest V, see help pics for placement. 85, -62, -76, 35
36. Torso>Back>Logos>Design 43: Rotate twice, 2nd Largest H, Smallest V, see help pics for placement. -18, -100, -100, 44
37. Torso>Back>Logos>Design 43: Rotate twice, 2nd Largest H, Smallest V, see help pics for placement. -18, -100, -100, 44
38. Torso>Back>Logos>Design 97: Rotate once, 2nd Smallest H, 2nd Largest V, see help pics for placement. 88, -55, 40, 100
39. Torso>Back>Logos>Design 17: Rotate once, Largest H, Smallest V, see help pics for placement. -18, -100, -100, 45
40. Copy previous pattern, rotate two more times so it points the opposite direction, see help pics for placement. -18, -100, -100, 45
41. Torso>Back>Logos>Design 28: Rotate once, 2nd Largest H, Smallest V, see help pics for placement. -18, -100, -100, 17
42. Copy previous pattern, make one less horizontally, place above previous pattern as shown in help pics: -18, -100, -100, 17
43. Torso>Back>Logos>Design 97: Rotate once, 2nd Smallest H, Smallest V, see help pics for placement. 88, -54, 42, 100
44. Torso>Back>Logos>Design 55: Largest H, 2nd Smallest V, see help pics for placement. -18,-100, -100, 37
45. Torso>Back>Logos>Design 97: Rotate once, Largest H, 2nd Largest V, see help pics for placement. 88, -57, 42, 100
46. Torso>Back>Logos>WWE 23: 2nd Largest H, 2nd Largest V, see help pics for placement. 99, -100, -100, 44
47. Torso>Back>Logos>Design 98: 2nd Smallest H, Smallest V, see help pics for placement. 88, -55, 49, 100
48. Copy previous pattern, rotate once, see help pics for placement: 88, -54, 41, 100
49. Torso>Back>Logos>Design 55: Largest H, Smallest V, see help pics for placement: -18,-100, -100, 51
50. Torso>Back>Logos>Design 99: rotate once, 2nd Smallest H, Smallest V, see help pics for placement. 88, -56, 42, 100
51. Torso>Back>Logos>Letters>Japanese Page 1, 4th column, 3rd row: 2nd Smallest H and V, see help pics for placement. -25, -100, -100, 32
52. Torso>Back>Logos>Letters>Japanese Page 1, 5th column, 2nd row, rotate 3 times, 2nd Smallest H and V, see help pics for placement. -25, -100, -100, 32
53. Torso>Back>Logos>Design 99: Smallest H, 2nd Smallest V, see help pics for placement. 89, -52, 39, 87
54. Torso>Back>Logos>Letters>Alphabet Page 1>the comma, rotate twice, 2nd Largest H and V, see help pics for placement. -25, -100, -100, 40
55. Torso>Back>Logos>Letters>Sign Page 1, 1st column, 1st row: 2nd Smallest H, 2nd Largest V, see help pics for placement. -18, -100, -100, 40
56. Torso>Back>Logos>Design 133: rotate twice, 2nd Smallest H, Smallest V, Place on shoulder blade as seen in help pic: -23, -100, -47, 19
57. Torso>Back>Logos>Design 133: rotate once, 2nd Smallest H, Smallest V, Place on shoulder blade as seen in help pic: -23, -100, -47, 19
58. Torso>Front>Logos>Design 97: rotate once, 2nd Smallest H and V, Place on abdomen area right below the chest as seen in help pic: 88, -59, 10, 100
59. Copy previous pattern, move downward and place as shown in help pic: 88, -56, 41, 100
60. Copy previous pattern, rotate once (put back to default rotation), 2nd smallest H, Smallest V, place on abdomen area as shown in help pic: 88, -56, 41, 100
61. Torso>Front>Logos>WWE 18: rotate once, Smallest H, 2nd Largest V, Place on the center of the chest as seen in help pic: 100, -95, -100, 25
62. Torso>Front>Logos>Design 97: rotate once, Smallest H, 2nd Smallest V, Place on abdomen area as seen in help pic: 88, -64, 6, 72
63. Torso>Front>Logos>Sign Page 1 (1st column, 5th row), the [( : rotate once, 2nd Smallest H and V, Place on abdomen area right below the chest as seen in help pic: 88, -57, -26, 100
64. Torso>Front>Logos>Sign Page 1 (6th column, 1st row), the 3 dots: rotate once, 2nd Largest H, 2nd Smallest V, Place on abdomen area as seen in help pic: 88, -59, 0, 100

Edited by wolfgangjt, 08 August 2007 - 02:58 PM.


#2 Cowboy King

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Posted 08 August 2007 - 03:20 PM

10/10-best ive seen...wish i had the 360

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Posted 08 August 2007 - 04:10 PM

damn im gonna make this one great attires!!

#4 TheKGBIsAfterYou

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Posted 08 August 2007 - 04:20 PM

Damn, that Lesnar is great. If I were to make him, I'd use this one.

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Posted 08 August 2007 - 05:33 PM

Just pheominal, 5/5. Damn you 360 owners ^_^

#6 TheKGBIsAfterYou

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Posted 08 August 2007 - 05:35 PM

We even have the benefit of making CAWS from PS2 formulas at times. Then adding on to them.

I would argue this as Wolfgang's finest work to date. 9.8/10

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Posted 08 August 2007 - 07:20 PM

damn im still not done i started at 3 pm west coast time and now its 6:20 pm!

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Posted 08 August 2007 - 07:27 PM

@ AntiChrist Superstar: 3 1/2 hours making it? I would have given up :P

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Posted 08 August 2007 - 07:39 PM

thats awesome i'll be makn the mma 1 for sure

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Posted 13 September 2007 - 08:05 PM

damn thats perfect,im planning on getting a 360 but the 270 dollar one does that one have the good graphics too?

Edited by masta-hack, 13 September 2007 - 08:06 PM.


#11 wolfgangjt

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Posted 14 September 2007 - 02:46 PM

graphics are the same, the issue you'll have from what I've read is that it doesn't come with a wireless controller (has a wired one) nor the harddrive, so you'll have nothing to save the game or caws on...ie, you'll have to get a memory stick (~$40) or the harddrive separate (which is near $90).

Edited by wolfgangjt, 14 September 2007 - 02:48 PM.


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Posted 14 September 2007 - 05:47 PM

View Postwolfgangjt, on Sep 14 2007, 03:46 PM, said:

graphics are the same, the issue you'll have from what I've read is that it doesn't come with a wireless controller (has a wired one) nor the harddrive, so you'll have nothing to save the game or caws on...ie, you'll have to get a memory stick (~$40) or the harddrive separate (which is near $90).
thanks for telling me